What is is about Metal that doesn't appeal to you, and can we change your mind?
 

There are so many subgenres of Metal, it may be that someone doesn't like (for instance) the aggression in Metal, but doesn't know about bands like Draconian or Sigh, or that they hate growled vocals (like me) but is unaware that not all metal singers do that.

So, if you hate or dislike Metal, why? And let us try to change your mind and show you a better way. My son. Or daughter.

Hideous songs/songwriting, and no!

Actually, Sigh is very aggressive a lot of the time. Depends on the song and the section of that song. They tend to interweave Black Metal with progressive rock,psychedelia, jazz, classical and any number of musical genres. They still retain a black metal base however.

Metals not for everyone and personally I like it that way.

Says the man who listens to ELP! :rolleyes:

1) The melodramatics
2) The fantasy elements
3) Blood

I think that's a bit of a stereotype. Not all metal is like that.

The sound.

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I don't know why I lol'd so hard when I got to the end.

It's all just noise.

False.

Hilarious.

Poop in your diaper?

False.

Not actually taking any of what I quoted seriously, as noted by my replies.

But honestly. Metal is not for everyone, and for various reasons. I have a boss at work that can't really listen to any kind of extremely heavy music, he's all about that classic rock/soft rock stuff (some good music, but my boss is such a wuss...) I showed him a few Machine Head songs, Amorphis songs, Death songs, and a few other bands. The look on his face was almost of pain and confusion. He told me that the music is just so harsh sounding and he can't really understand where the talent or creativity in it is. He also just mentioned the heavily distorted, down tuned guitars, said that he can't hear where the guitarists technique is or if the guitarists really even know what they're doing. All of that is well and good, and stuff. But it's also a bit funny to me. There are people that can't comprehend a genre of music like Metal, or any of it's variant genre's. Supposedly it's true that a lot of people prefer simple, or plain sounding music. So if half or more of the world is like that, then there's no reason any of those people would ever like Metal in the first place.

It probably is not likely that anyone here could have their mind changed about Metal that have never liked the genre. We could be as thorough as possible if we tried to seek out a band under the Metal umbrella that may suite someone's tastes, but even if we find a band that has none of the things that have been expressed unfavorable by someone who has never liked the music, that person may still turn their nose up to it haha.

I firmly believe, feel, whatever you'd call it, that Metal is a great genre of music. Those growled or screamed vocals so many don't like? I hear the emotion in it and it chargers my determination to persevere in my life. A lot of those songs I can listen to after a bad day, and by the end of the song I'm in the best mood. There are more than enough uplifting things about the genre. And it is a big reason why it's my favorite genre.

I love symphonic and gothic metal but cannot stand any music with screaming which demonstrates a lack of talent to me. With that said I actually love the song Bleed by Meshuggah.

I know it's your opinion. However...

A vocalist that screams all the time, growls, it is not because they lack the ability to sing clean vocals and know what they're doing. You'd be pretty surprised at how many of those vocalists that are always screaming through every song, have great clean singing voices as well; not a lack of talent, my friend, it is simply the preference of the vocalist.

The guy from Meshuggah is amazing at what he does. He knows how to use his voice well, and he changes octaves, key, tonality, whatever you want to call it, all of the time.

Do some more listening. You need to understand the genre better because I'm not so sure your opinion comes from any kind of clear understanding.

Metal has evolved into so many very different sub-genres that it's impossible to make any general broad brush statements about "metal" itself.

Heavy metal subgenres - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm gonna start calling the skin on my toes Toe Skin, and the skin on my dick Dick Skin. Foreskin is so 20th century dammit. On fleek.

Then go listen to Mozart cause all your music is probably "talentless" compared to him.

Funny thing is that I also like Soilwork when the song has clean vocals and I understand music quite well. Why must some of you always attack people who's opinions and preferences differ from your own? That says narrow minded to me.

Why does music with screaming demonstrate a lack of talent to you?

And I agree, "Bleed" is a great track.

It's fine if you don't like screaming. You don't have to like anything you don't want to. But saying that it "demonstrates a lack of talent" is ignorant. And like I said, compared to Mozart, Nightwish are talentless hacks, so...

I don't mind screaming (early Geddy Lee anyone?) but do not enjoy cookie monster vocals at all. I don't like bands that put the pedal to the metal non-stop for entire albums. Dynamics are a good thing.

Other than that it's all good.

I was being serious. Whether it's a stereotype or not, the reasons I listed are my answer to the question at hand. Isn't that the point of this thread?

It's just some guy "singing" over guitars.

I wasn't being sarcastic, just goofy. If you don't like fantasy elements, stay away from power metal. If you don't like blood, stay away from death metal. If you don't like melodramatics, stay away from... most every form of metal. If you don't like all three, stay away from black metal. There's always grindcore and industrial metal though.


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It's fine but I find it quite a bit less enjoyable than the vast majority of other genres so I just don't listen to it.

I like how anybody who voices an opinion contrary to some people in here gets attacked for it. This is why many people do not participate in these threads and you always see the same posters rehashing the same old rhetoric time and time again. I tend to think of it as musical incest and we all know what happens when the tree has no forks in the branches. I love dynamical music which is why I love symphonic and gothic metal so much. The artists can play straight metal or incorporate elements of many different genres into their songs. Many can even play straight classical and sound better than a dedicated classical artist because their influences are so vast.

No one's being attacked you oversensitive weirdo. When someone classifies an entire subgenre as "lacking talent" then it's perfectly reasonable to expect fans of that genre to jump in and give a counterpoint

I rest my case.

Yes focus solely on my for-fun jab rather than the actual point I was making that it's completely justified that your posts are finding criticism

And yet you don't understand why screamed vocals/growled vocals play their role in Metal. There was nothing incorrect about The Batlord saying that you calling vocalists that scream through entire songs or albums lack talent was ignorant. That is because your opinion came from lacking understanding as to why there's the screaming. One reason is that it's one big part of metalcore, as well as other variant genre's of the Metal tree. There's been plenty of bands that incorporate the screaming/clean vocals in Metal, and almost every variant genre of it; there's that dynamic you like.

It's one thing to discuss something and understand it. But it is another to discuss something and not understand it at all.

Sorry. But you do sound ignorant on the matter.

It's not just because he classified an entire subgenre as lacking talent. He is convinced he knows what he's talking about, and that's with him so far showing no evidence that he knows what he's talking about, and he is showing no evidence for why he's right or to back what he's said...even though he's completely wrong.

What case? You brought it all on yourself. People react in the way appropriate to how you've handled yourself so far in this thread. If you want that to stop. Well, does it have to be spelled out for you?

Not all metal has melodramatics, fantasy elements, and blood. Some of it can be highly profound points of view of the artists perspective of the world around them.

Hopefully, this will change your mind:

I think those are both good examples. But I don't know if it'll sway her opinion.

My main problem with metal is I get most of the things I could want from it better in other genres. Like if I want aggression I'll listen to punk or grindcore, if I want melody I'll listen to pop, if I want stories I'll listen to folk music ....and so on.

Also I find a lot of it extremely overproduced, I want raw sounding guitars hammering down memorable riffs.

Other than a few bands from the late 70s - mid 80s that I discovered as a kid that I listen to occasionally out of nostalgia I have no interest in listening to anything from beyond that.

Basically I see it as music for 13 year olds, there's nothing challenging to it.

Most pop bores me but I can't disagree about the melody, as it is abundant with melody. But where I do disagree is that pop does it better. That's me though.

I don't know if I agree that Metal is overproduced. What sort of bands under the Metal umbrella have you listened to, to name a few? Because your issue could likely be solved if you move away from anything really commercial or mainstream. I could name a band right now that has a raw guitar sound and to me, memorable riffs. Pallbearer.

You don't want to listen to anything beyond late 70's - mid 80's? Well. I can't say you haven't at least tried. You appear to have tried. But again. Maybe you're not looking in the right places.

And I disagree entirely on your view that it's music for 13 year olds. You show most 13 year olds today a track from say, Gojira, they wouldn't comprehend what they're hearing, nor would they be able to pick up a guitar if they know how to play, and play along if the music is as simple or basic as you appear to claim it is. (Not being combative and hopefully you can see that haha, so please don't castrate me...) However. I am not saying Gojira is the most complex band, or the greatest. I love the band. I think they know their sh*t. My point is, why label an entire genre something for 13 year olds just because it doesn't appeal to you, or you maybe find it boring, find nothing challenging in the genre? I really do not think that is a fair assessment, or even close to an accurate one.

You're an intelligent guy Urban, appear to be. So don't pull that crap that makes me want to pull the ignorant card on you, or say you lack the understanding/and or knowledge to back your claim. Because I don't think either of those apply to you.

You didn't read what I said, I didn't say that was all I'd heard I said that was all I still listen to now. I've heard plenty of metal from the last 20 years, that's why I don't like it.

Not even one band appealed to you or stood out, at all?

And I did misread, but I've been up all night, only been off work since 7am, so tiredness does not mix well with reading, or typing.

Nope, why do you think I lost interest in it?

I know why you lost interest, as you clearly expressed so in your post I replied to.

But you've written off an entire genre. I can guarantee you could find something you'd like if you didn't say f*ck it all. Lost interest doesn't mean you could never find interest again beyond what you say you listen to now, and only listen to. But I'm not you so that's just an assumption. I'd stop barking up that tree and leave you alone about it if it weren't for that nagging at the back of my mind that you're missing out on some bands you might enjoy, because I doubt you've heard it all.

You say you have no interest. So if I'm without any chance that I could convince you to do some digging for some new talent in the genre. Just say so.

I can understand that. Having recently gotten into grindcore and powerviolence myself, I find myself listening to a whole lot less death metal.

That's what ultra-primitive, eighties black metal is for (if you can ignore the cheesy, Satanic lyrics).








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\/\/\/ And I can't think of many genres that have music this epic (in the mythic, marching-off-to-war sense). Power metal's fantasy lyrics are wasted for the most part, in the face of music like this. I really can't think of an analogue in any other form of popular music honestly (metal or otherwise). You might have to go to opera for a similar feeling, and I have limited patience for classical music, except as background music. Maybe the same vibe as Saxon's "Crusader", or Manowar's second album, except without any of the cheese -- I would legitimately play this for people who I'd be embarrassed to introduce to those other two bands. If you've never listened to Bathory's later work, then I think you should at least give it thirty seconds of your time, or else I'll call you out like Trollheart.

And no, this isn't anything like the black metal I posted above, or power metal. It's closer to doom metal than anything else, but without sounding anything like Sabbath. Just slow(ish) grinding riffs that go on forever.

The nearest I'll come to listening to newer metal now is maybe a Boris or an Electric Wizard album and according to Last FM 2011 and 2013 was the last time I listened to those bands, so not exactly high on my list of priorities.

Like I said the early 80s stuff is what I still listen to for exactly that reason, although Black Metal never really did much for me.

This challenges the crap out of me.