help me get into metal

mythsofmetal · 01-20-2015, 07:33 PM

Here try this specific song from Persuader's album When Eden Burns.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 01-20-2015, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

If you can't dig this then we have nothing to speak about.

yea honestly that's some decent viking ryder music. what's strange is it looks like their album cover says batlord on it

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 01-20-2015, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mythsofmetal

If you like Melechesh you should also enjoy Absu. They both have that Thrashy, fast paced, frenetic Black Metal sound to them, and the drummer/vocalist of Absu (Proscriptor McGovern) actually played drums on that album that the song you posted was from, and was in Melechesh for a while. My favourite album from Melechesh is Emissaries, though and Proscriptor McGovern had departed Melechesh by then, but returned to Absu to create two (soon to be three) more great albums.

Tara is typically considered their best, and it'd be a great start to them. Though I've been preferring their two most recent albums. Absu, their first self titled album is a more varied album, and has a bit more of an emphasis on atmosphere and synths. Abzu their second self titled album is a very fast/thrashy technical album with lots of sections of many layers of guitars creating great riffs, and it's probably my favourite Absu album now.

The Third Storm of Cythraul could appeal to you, if you like a raw thrashy black metal sound, with extra emphasis on the raw/low production value sort of style.

The Sun of Tiphareth could be a good start to Absu if you think you'd be interested in a more Pagan Metal sort of album where the album is very consistently a mix of Black and Folk Metal, similar to (though you probably won't get the reference) Manegarm's Havets Vargar which would be classified as Viking Metal due to the fairly equal mix of Black and Folk Metal, while The Sun of Tiphareth more specifically would be labelled as something like either Mesopotamian Metal or Sumerian Metal (its one of those I'm almost certain, but which of the two I'm unsure.)

So, I see I kinda went on a tangent for one band, so I'll try to quickly recommend a few other ones now.

Since you said you didn't really care for the Black/Death Metal vocals, I'm going to suggest a few Power Metal bands.

Blind Guardian is a great Power Metal band that essentially only uses clean vocals or at most semi-harsh vocals. While they also have good riffs and don't overly focus on the vocal performance like some Power Metal bands do. Though some of their albums have less of a harder edge to them, any of their 90's albums from Tales from the Twilight World to Nightfall in Middle-earth would be good places to start with them.

Angra is a cool Power Metal band from Brazil. My favourite album of theirs is Temple of Shadows, and I would highly recommend about a bit less than half a dozen songs from it, though the rest of the songs are essentially really light/fluffy Power Metal ballads and appeal to me much less than the rest of the album or anyone really seeking a non-ballady Metal experience. The songs from the album I'd recommend are Spread Your Fire, Angels and Demons, The Temple of Hate, The Shadow Hunter, and Winds of Destination.

Persuader is a good Power Metal band that also is of the non-cheesy or at least less cheesy variety of Power Metal. I'd highly recommend the album When Eden Burns. There are some harsh vocal moments, but the whole album should be melodic and harmonious enough for you to probably look past them. The album is very epic and has a good and dark atmosphere for much of the album, and flows from song to song quite well too.

Another good album of theirs which is a bit faster paced and thrashier is Evolution Purgatory. There are many strong, catchy melodies throughout, but with a hard/heavy/thrashy edge to it. Though I sometimes feel some of the songs on this album could have used a bit more refinement in the writing process, most of the songs are still very, very good.

Also, a very accessible, yet great Black Metal album, half of which's vocals are clean, is Ulver's album Bergtatt: Et Eeventyr I 5 Capitler.

Oh, and for the heck of it, while it may not be really accessible to many people, I feel it might be accessible to you because you seem open minded, and these songs typically aren't too abrasive like some extreme metal and are mostly disliked for its eclectic mix of genres, so check out Sigh's album In Somniphobia. Sigh does have many other great albums, but that album is definitely one of their best.

Oh also, I guess Gallows Gallery by Sigh may be a better example since there aren't any harsh vocals on the main tracks. Though, make sure you listen to the remastered version as the original release of the album had horrible production.

i will refer back to this post at a later time. right now i'm looking for tracks to listen to.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 01-20-2015, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle

i listened to the first 5 or so minutes of it.... i like it so far. i'm not really trying to sit here and listen to the whole thing right now but it looks promising.

mythsofmetal · 01-20-2015, 07:45 PM

Try this. It has harsh vocals, but I hope the other aspects can overcome the vocals for you.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 01-20-2015, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mythsofmetal

Here try this specific song from Persuader's album When Eden Burns.

honestly i love the music but i'm not that big on the vocals... this seems to be a common thing for me with metal. a lot of the vocals just sound so silly that it makes it hard for me to take the music seriously.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 01-20-2015, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mythsofmetal

Try this. It has harsh vocals, but I hope the other aspects can overcome the vocals for you.

yea that's not bad to me. honestly i prefer those vocals to the cartoony ones in the other song you posted.

mythsofmetal · 01-20-2015, 08:14 PM

I think it might help me if you could try to explain further what about the vocals in metal bothers you.

For example is it something about too much over-the-top virtuosity in the vocals like too operatic/cheesy in that sense?

Are the lyrics playing a larger part in making them sound cheesy to you?

I was a little bit surprised in how you seem to like the harsh vocals in Rotting Christ's, and Sigh's songs, (or at least tolerated them better) compared to Persuader's more melodic approach. I guess I thought you would prefer Persuader's vocals as you seemed to express a dislike with the Death/Black Metal vocals, so I thought Persuader's Power Metal style would sound better to you, or maybe it's just the way Persuader's vocalist specifically sung on that song?

Anyways here's another song with what I'd call Power Metal vocals, that I think you may like.

Here's a song you may like, I'm a bit more unsure but hopeful with this one. It has harsh Black Metal like vocals.

I've mostly chosen these two songs to kinda try to get a better picture of what you dislike about various metal styles' vocals.

The Batlord · 01-20-2015, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

yea honestly that's some decent viking ryder music. what's strange is it looks like their album cover says batlord on it

Bathory's logo is where I got my screen name. Aren't I awesome?

mythsofmetal · 01-20-2015, 08:36 PM

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Bathory's logo is where I got my screen name. Aren't I awesome?

I got mine from the trolling/attention seeking cheesy Black Metal band Demoniac, two of whose members would go on to create the cheesy Power Metal band Dragonforce.

This is the song I got my name from, and if you listen to it I hope you'll realize I chose this name as a joke.

Now to get back to the actual topic.

I'm going to throw out a few more Metal songs each with different vocal styles to try to get a better idea on what metal songs I can recommend with success in the future to the OP.

This is a test I think I already know the answer to, but, OP, what do you think of these vocals?

What about these different styles showcased in this song?

And these?

01-20-2015, 07:33 PM	#11 (permalink)
mythsofmetal Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 207	Here try this specific song from Persuader's album When Eden Burns.

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mythsofmetal Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 207	Try this. It has harsh vocals, but I hope the other aspects can overcome the vocals for you.

01-20-2015, 08:14 PM	#18 (permalink)
mythsofmetal Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 207	I think it might help me if you could try to explain further what about the vocals in metal bothers you. For example is it something about too much over-the-top virtuosity in the vocals like too operatic/cheesy in that sense? Are the lyrics playing a larger part in making them sound cheesy to you? I was a little bit surprised in how you seem to like the harsh vocals in Rotting Christ's, and Sigh's songs, (or at least tolerated them better) compared to Persuader's more melodic approach. I guess I thought you would prefer Persuader's vocals as you seemed to express a dislike with the Death/Black Metal vocals, so I thought Persuader's Power Metal style would sound better to you, or maybe it's just the way Persuader's vocalist specifically sung on that song? Anyways here's another song with what I'd call Power Metal vocals, that I think you may like. Here's a song you may like, I'm a bit more unsure but hopeful with this one. It has harsh Black Metal like vocals. I've mostly chosen these two songs to kinda try to get a better picture of what you dislike about various metal styles' vocals.