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Old 07-15-2015, 06:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Because I try not to go by personal preference. Images and Words is generally regarded as their best and one of the best prog metal albums of all time, so that's why it's there.
Disregarding the ****-faced part of your post, I have evidence to support that more people like Scenes From a Memory.

Best Dream Theater Albums - Top Ten List - TheTopTens.com
Dream Theater : Best Ever Albums
Poll: Which Dream Theater Album Is Their Best??? - MetalSucks

These ones are just the opinion of one person.
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/jweber...albums_ranked/
Pokermask: Best To Worst Dream Theater Albums | Sputnikmusic

Images and Words is maybe the more well-known album, but almost every Dream Theater fan will agree that Scenes From a Memory is a better album. The only reason I'm telling you this is because I actually want them to win, and Scenes From a Memory is simply their best album.

EDIT- Just a bit of subjectivity: The completed concept of Scenes From a Memory easily beats out Images and Words' pioneering prog metal. Just because an album started a genre doesn't mean it has to define it. By the way, some of Rush's stuff was definitely prog metal, years before Dream Theater was even around. Could you please just replace it?

Also, as someone pretty familiar with the genre, I can tell you that Dream Theater is definitely one of the best prog metal bands out there.
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Old 07-15-2015, 08:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Granted, this is coming from someone who is hit or miss at best with prog in general, but aside from a few songs and Train of Thought, Dream Theater are just boring wank who do nothing but play rehashed prog that's only vaguely heavier than their inspirations.

Not saying I'm dismissing your argument completely, but I've learned to treat Best Ever Albums with a grain of salt, since it's led me astray with odd choices in the past, just like RYM (which backs me up BTW). And Top Ten List is downright useless -- I mean, come one, every prog fan I've ever heard readily agrees that Octovarium is pointless wank, and yet there it is at #4.

The Metal Sucks Poll is interesting though, and may influence my decision.

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Images and Words is maybe the more well-known album, but almost every Dream Theater fan will agree that Scenes From a Memory is a better album. The only reason I'm telling you this is because I actually want them to win, and Scenes From a Memory is simply their best album.

EDIT- Just a bit of subjectivity: The completed concept of Scenes From a Memory easily beats out Images and Words' pioneering prog metal. Just because an album started a genre doesn't mean it has to define it. By the way, some of Rush's stuff was definitely prog metal, years before Dream Theater was even around. Could you please just replace it?
First of all, I've only heard two full Rush albums, along with the two singles from Moving Pictures that get occasional radio play, but I've never heard any of their music that actually crossed the line from hard rock to actual metal, and I can't really remember ever seeing them included on any best of prog metal lists. If you've got something to change my mind, then by all means post a Youtube vid.

Secondly, I'll leave it up to the current prog fans of the forum: Trollheart, Unknown Soldier, Chula, Anteater, and Plankton. If they give back you up, then I'll change it. I guess I'll have to send most of them a PM, since only Unknown Soldier ever seems to check this thread regularly.

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Ja bat, an artist's most well known or most 'revered' album isn't always their best. We saw this with Darkthrone in the bm battle. I wouldn't be surprised if scenes from a cheesy album title is much better than images and words.
Considering how few people actually participated in the black metal battle, I don't think that can be really considered representative of what is considered Darkthrone's best album. I like other Darkthrone albums better too, but the general consensus says different.
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1. Dream Theater are just boring wank who do nothing but play rehashed prog that's only vaguely heavier than their inspirations.

2. And Top Ten List is downright useless -- I mean, come one, every prog fan I've ever heard readily agrees that Octavarium is pointless wank, and yet there it is at #4.

3. First of all, I've only heard two full Rush albums, along with the two singles from Moving Pictures that get occasional radio play, but I've never heard any of their music that actually crossed the line from hard rock to actual metal, and I can't really remember ever seeing them included on any best of prog metal lists. If you've got something to change my mind, then by all means post a Youtube vid.

4. Secondly, I'll leave it up to the current prog fans of the forum: Trollheart, Unknown Soldier, Chula, Anteater, and Plankton. If they give back you up, then I'll change it. I guess I'll have to send most of them a PM, since only Unknown Soldier ever seems to check this thread regularly.
1. You probably haven't actually heard much Dream Theater, or you're under the impression that anything that isn't extremely heavy is "wank".

2. It is actually useful if you just want to get a general idea of an artist. The reason Octavarium is at #4 is because of the title track.

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Although a lot of progressive bands before Rush got maybe even heavier sounds. For instance:



4. I totally agree with that.
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1. You probably haven't actually heard much Dream Theater, or you're under the impression that anything that isn't extremely heavy is "wank".
I've heard several of Dream Theater's albums and can confirm the presence of outright wankery. There's wanky ass metal too though, heaviness isn't really a factor.
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Disregarding the ****-faced part of your post, I have evidence to support that more people like Scenes From a Memory.

Best Dream Theater Albums - Top Ten List - TheTopTens.com
Dream Theater : Best Ever Albums
Poll: Which Dream Theater Album Is Their Best??? - MetalSucks

These ones are just the opinion of one person.
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/jweber...albums_ranked/
Pokermask: Best To Worst Dream Theater Albums | Sputnikmusic

Images and Words is maybe the more well-known album, but almost every Dream Theater fan will agree that Scenes From a Memory is a better album. The only reason I'm telling you this is because I actually want them to win, and Scenes From a Memory is simply their best album.

EDIT- Just a bit of subjectivity: The completed concept of Scenes From a Memory easily beats out Images and Words' pioneering prog metal. Just because an album started a genre doesn't mean it has to define it. By the way, some of Rush's stuff was definitely prog metal, years before Dream Theater was even around. Could you please just replace it?

Also, as someone pretty familiar with the genre, I can tell you that Dream Theater is definitely one of the best prog metal bands out there.
I'm one of the few Dream Theater fans on the forum, so no matter what album you suggest, it's almost guaranteed that they'll be voted off by the others on here, so no need to go to all this trouble.
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I'm one of the few Dream Theater fans on the forum, so no matter what album you suggest, it's almost guaranteed that they'll be voted off by the others on here, so no need to go to all this trouble.
Very true. I'm pretty much assuming it'll be gone in round one.
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Very true. I'm pretty much assuming it'll be gone in round one.
You could always eject DT from the battle and put somebody else in.
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I'd very much like to, but they're still considered one of the top prog metal bands for some reason. So, which album would you say? Plankton hates Dream Theater, Chula says Images and Words "all the way", and Trollheart doesn't really care about DT, but disinterestedly gives the nod to Images and Words. That just leaves you and Anteater.

Honestly, if this many members don't even like Dream Theater, then it might make sense to boot them, since there's no point in keeping a band that the people likely to participate in the battle think sucks.
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I'd very much like to, but they're still considered one of the top prog metal bands for some reason. So, which album would you say? Plankton hates Dream Theater, Chula says Images and Words "all the way", and Trollheart doesn't really care about DT, but disinterestedly gives the nod to Images and Words. That just leaves you and Anteater.

Honestly, if this many members don't even like Dream Theater, then it might make sense to boot them, since there's no point in keeping a band that the people likely to participate in the battle think sucks.
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I'd very much like to, but they're still considered one of the top prog metal bands for some reason. So, which album would you say?
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