The Batlord

No, the music is just kind of there and the vocals try so hard to sound goofy and annoying that they are.

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Frownland

Just curious, are you a fan of any of Beefheart or Residents material? Those are larger influences on Primus's style than any metal or rock group, so I imagine that they pull in a lot more people like me than people who don't initially have interest in out there music.

What I love about this track:
Fun as hell
Claypool clearly has a terrible voice, but he takes the Lou Reed approach and relies more on phrasing and new approach as opposed to trying to pretend he has a good voice
That bassline
The texture of the main guitar riff when it does those seconds/near unisons
The interplay between the stringed instruments when the guitar jumps in is something that you don't see in many metal groups
I mean just listen to that ****, if you don't like it you're clearly a stick in the mud

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The Batlord

Who cares? His voice is boring and annoying.

Certainly not awful, but I still don't care.

I care even less.

A bunch of instruments I don't care about aren't going to make me care by doing **** together.

Either that or avant garde fans are no better than prog fans when trying to justify their music by describing boring minutiae.

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Frownland

I brought that up because I was just confused by this statement:

So are you saying that justifying why I like the music by describing things in the music that I enjoy is a bad thing? How would you go about then? Also, Primus avant-garde? Try again.

Well ja, I dig MMM more than Primus as it's one of my favourite albums so we agree there.

What are you even doing with your life?







Granted, I feel like both groups are far more advanced than Primus (although some tracks on Pork Soda contend, which is why it would have been a better pick), but their influence on the music is blatant and maybe it'll help you get a taste for the style that you find boring. My dad is a Primus fan, so I've been listening to them all of my life so it's kind of baffling to me that someone doesn't find their music to be fun and eclectic since I never had to work to get into their style.

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The Batlord

I meant that you were describing individual parts in much the same way that prog fans go on about "crazy time signature changes that nobody ever played before OMG!" and whatnot. I don't have the ear to pick up on little specifics like that TBH, so if the music doesn't make sense to me as a whole, then pointing out the "minutiae" isn't going to sway me.

I listen to plenty(ish) out there music, but not because of the little experimental things that I just am not equipped to notice. For example, I love (some) no wave, because of how it perverts rock music (like the Contortions or Teenage Jesus and the Jerks) or how it uses rock elements for its own nefarious purposes (Glenn Branca and early Sonic Youth) but while still having something to latch onto. I'm not necessarily concerned with the fine details, just the finished product.



See, this is where we are at an impasse. This might seem out there to you because you're versed in the avant garde, but to me whatever details are revolutionary just kind of pass me by, and it only sounds unimpressively random.

Also, not being a poetry/lyrics guy, spoken word doesn't really resonate with me in any way unless there's some element to catch my ear (such as the menacing voice of Attila in "Agartha" on Sunn O)))'s Monoliths and Dimensions.

I can get down with this. Obviously it's a much more traditional song, so even if I am missing some weirdness under the surface, I don't need to appreciate it to get into the simple rhythm, just like how I can dig the Talking Heads accessible-but-still-unique sound without having to be amazed at Brian Eno's tape loops.

As obtuse as some elements of this are, they are much more alien than anything I've heard from Primus, so I find it more fun to listen to than something more orthodox, like the former. Hence, why I find Primus to be boring: they're kind of weird, but not weird enough to make me feel like I'm listening to the results of a collection of personality disorders.

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Hey Frown, didn't realize how much Primus was influenced by Beefheart.

Primus is great BTW.

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