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**Frownland** · 05-02-2015, 11:18 AM

Hand of Doom and War Pigs are far heavier than 'ooh baby, heeey baby, pretty baby tell me how you do me now'. I'm pretty sure you drank the kool aid man, I wasn't even alive when Jim Jones was handing out samples.

I would say that Zeppelin is louder than Sabbath, but that doesn't quite equate to heaviness. Sabbath has that gloom and attitude that make them far heavier imo.

Chula Vista · 05-02-2015, 11:29 AM

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Sabbath has that gloom and attitude that make them far heavier imo.

I'm talking the music. Sabbath definitely had the "let's commit ourselves 100% to all doom and gloom" sh*t down pat. Band meeting: Let's be dark and evil, and scary, ok? Hands raised. They nailed it.

But this **** slays them as far as heavy goes.

And even this:

**Frownland** · 05-02-2015, 11:34 AM

I'm talking about the music as well, the attitude and atmosphere that they create makes them way heavier. Those songs are louder and have a lot more energy, but like I said, that doesn't equate to heaviness for me. It does to some degree, but not in comparison to Sabbath's sound.

I've also always been of the opinion that stellarly executed morose and sludgy doom bands are heavier than high bpm shrieking death metal bands. Sabbath brought the doom and that makes them more heavy for me because they have a much more evil and dark sound than Zeppelin.

Zeppelin - anthemic
Sabbath - heavy

Pet_Sounds · 05-02-2015, 11:44 AM

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Black Dog - Heavier, sexier, more complex, and down right more rocking than anything on Paranoid.

Rock and Roll - Awesome homage to the music that laid the foundation.

The Battle of Evermore - Would Peter Jackson even have made TLOTR without hearing this song?

Stairway to Heaven - Laugh all you want. Still the greatest classic rock song of all time. With the greatest classic rock guitar solo.

Misty Mountain Hop - Hippy Dippy to the max. A lot of the 90s grunge thing used this song as a template.

Four Sticks - Way before Sting and Peter Gabriel, Zep was doing "world music". First time millions heard a raga.

Going to California - Zep smokes a joint with Joni Mitchell and CSN&Y.

When the Levee Breaks - The drum beat that's been sampled a million times. Such a relentless and heavy groove. If you haven't f*cked to this I pity you.

I suppose it would have been, if you'd somehow missed Revolver and Sgt. Pepper's, released six and five years earlier, respectively.

**Frownland** · 05-02-2015, 11:48 AM

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I suppose it would have been, if you'd somehow missed Revolver and Sgt. Pepper's, released six and five years earlier, respectively.

Wrong. Led Zeppelin invented everything.

Chula Vista · 05-02-2015, 11:50 AM

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Zeppelin - anthemic
Sabbath - heavy

I can get behind this to a degree. Sabbath was heavy because that's the blueprint they decided to follow. Zeppelin was just as heavy, but chose an open ended palette which may have diluted their lasting "heaviness" at the end of the day.

Good example IMO.

Chula Vista · 05-02-2015, 11:52 AM

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I suppose it would have been, if you'd somehow missed Revolver and Sgt. Pepper's, released six and five years earlier, respectively.

This is an old comeback. George added a sitar just because it was his toy of the day. Those were not ragas. Four Sticks was written around the concept and was a true raga.

Pet_Sounds · 05-02-2015, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

This is an old comeback. George added a sitar just because it was his toy of the day. Those were not ragas. Four Sticks was written around the concept and was a true raga.

Within You Without You - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sure sounds like it was written around the concept.

**Frownland** · 05-02-2015, 12:05 PM

Not to mention that The Beatles collaborated with Shankar, the best known raga master around.

Also, world music had been implemented into jazz through artists like Pharoah Sanders and John Coltrane before Zeppelin even formed.

Chula Vista · 05-02-2015, 12:14 PM

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Within You Without You - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sure sounds like it was written around the concept.

For sure.

05-02-2015, 11:18 AM	#911 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Hand of Doom and War Pigs are far heavier than 'ooh baby, heeey baby, pretty baby tell me how you do me now'. I'm pretty sure you drank the kool aid man, I wasn't even alive when Jim Jones was handing out samples. I would say that Zeppelin is louder than Sabbath, but that doesn't quite equate to heaviness. Sabbath has that gloom and attitude that make them far heavier imo. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

05-02-2015, 11:34 AM	#913 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I'm talking about the music as well, the attitude and atmosphere that they create makes them way heavier. Those songs are louder and have a lot more energy, but like I said, that doesn't equate to heaviness for me. It does to some degree, but not in comparison to Sabbath's sound. I've also always been of the opinion that stellarly executed morose and sludgy doom bands are heavier than high bpm shrieking death metal bands. Sabbath brought the doom and that makes them more heavy for me because they have a much more evil and dark sound than Zeppelin. Zeppelin - anthemic Sabbath - heavy __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

05-02-2015, 12:05 PM	#919 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Not to mention that The Beatles collaborated with Shankar, the best known raga master around. Also, world music had been implemented into jazz through artists like Pharoah Sanders and John Coltrane before Zeppelin even formed. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x