Music Banter - Metal Album Survivor [1st Wave Black Metal Division]

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I don't understand, Darkness Descends has more than double the listeners than Time Does Not Heal on Last FM. How is the latter their "best?"

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1538725)

Well, William the Bloody seems to have stumbled upon the perfect format to get people into music discussion, so I'm stealing his idea for a metal album thread. Given the sheer number of metal albums out there, I'm gonna have separate battles for each sub-genre, and when all battles are finished, we'll have a "Final", where the winners of each sub-genre battle go head to head, so that we can finally have a definitive answer to what is the best metal album of all time. I'll make sure to go with what are generally accepted as each band's best album (each band will only get one nomination per category, though I might allow a band to have another album in a separate sub-genre battle depending on a case-by-case basis). If I've left anything obvious out (if it's an obscure band they'll have to have one hell of an album for me to add it, since I don't want to get bogged down by having people having to listen albums they've never heard of before), and if any sub-genres aren't being represented then, likewise, let me know.

And just FYI, some genres may have less entries than others. I'll ask for recs for some of these if I'm just not familiar enough with them to give a representative list, but again, if it's a genre whose luminaries are just obscure, then they may just have to live with less albums. I know a lot of people on here aren't very fond of metalcore and groove metal, so if popular opinion just isn't very interested in them, I might just combine them into something like "modern metal".

The sub-genres will be:

Traditional metal (Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, etc)
Proto-metal (Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, etc)
Power metal
Thrash metal
Death Metal
Black metal
Doom metal
Stoner/sludge metal
Glam metal (suck it)
Grindcore
Industrial metal
Metalcore
Groove metal
Progressive metal (I'm def gonna need recs for this)
Alternative metal (any nu metal albums will be listed under here, since there just won't be enough for people to care)
Avant-garde metal
Melodic death metal

That's a lot of ****ing genres, so if anyone has ideas about combining genres to save time, then feel free.

We'll start off with thrash...

1. Metallica - Master of Puppets
2. Megadeth - Rust In Peace
3. Anthrax - Among the Living
4. Slayer - Reign In Blood
5. Exodus - Bonded By Blood
6. Kreator - Pleasure to Kill
7. Testament - The New Order
8. SOD - Speak English or Die
9. Dark Angel -Time Does Not Heal
10. Sepultura- Arise

Vote 2 albums, and the bottom 1 will be out.

I believe William had a two day voting limit, so we'll go with that. So, voting ends on January 17. Also, will keep each list to a maximum of ten albums.

My votes:

Sepultura - Arise
Kreator - Pleasure to Kill

Spoiler for Future Battles:

On DOOM: when did EW release an album called Dopesmoker? And I think that Master of Reality would be a better pick for the genre than Paranoid.

Some recommendations for the Sludge / Stoner Metal top 10 while we're ahead of the game:

Spoiler for Stoner / Sludge Metal Albums:

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1538782)

On DOOM: when did EW release an album called Dopesmoker?

lol I just noticed that too.

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Originally Posted by Wpnfire (Post 1538781)

I don't understand, Darkness Descends has more than double the listeners than Time Does Not Heal on Last FM. How is the latter their "best?"

Cause it is. Suck it.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1538782)

On DOOM: when did EW release an album called Dopesmoker? And I think that Master of Reality would be a better pick for the genre than Paranoid.

Fixed. And Paranoid is generally considered their best (for some strange reason), so that's why I put it up.

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Originally Posted by EPOCH6 (Post 1538783)

Some recommendations for the Sludge / Stoner Metal top 10 while we're ahead of the game:

Spoiler for Stoner / Sludge Metal Albums:

I hate to be a genre purist, but is Kyuss considered a metal band or just stoner rock? I'll bow to popular consensus though. I'll need to do some looking into Unida and Acid King though, as I'm not that up on stoner, but remember that nominations are more about popular opinion than personal preference, so if they're not on any top lists I can find, then they're out. Otherwise, those are definitely what I'd have gone with. I'd also add...

High on Fire - Death Is this Communion (if they can be said to be anything, then they're stoner)
Down - NOLA
Goatsnake - Flower of Disease
Corrosion of Conformity - Deliverance

Also gonna need some opinions on Clutch and Orange Goblin, which I dig, but don't know much about, and am not even sure if they're considered stoner.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1538786)

Cause it is. Suck it.

But it isn't. DD has a higher rating on RYM (3.89 compared to 3.61 for Time) and it has more listeners on Last FM (23,705 compared to 9,644).

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Originally Posted by Wpnfire (Post 1538789)

But it isn't. DD has a higher rating on RYM (3.89 compared to 3.61 for Time) and it has more listeners on Last FM (23,705 compared to 9,644).

And in my experience TDNH is generally considered to be a superior album. Use your RYM and you Last.fm all you want, but the die is cast and you lose.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1538786)

I hate to be a genre purist, but is Kyuss considered a metal band or just stoner rock? I'll bow to popular consensus though. I'll need to do some looking into Unida and Acid King though, as I'm not that up on stoner, but remember that nominations are more about popular opinion than personal preference, so if they're not on any top lists I can find, then they're out. Otherwise, those are definitely what I'd have gone with. I'd also add...

Also gonna need some opinions on Clutch and Orange Goblin, which I dig, but don't know much about, and am not even sure if they're considered stoner.

If Clutch is going to make the list Kyuss will have to make the list too. This category is going to be difficult because generally rock and roll influence is a lot more acceptable in stoner metal than in sludge metal, where punk influence is more typical. The two genres don't feel different enough for their own separate survivor series but the two genres are different enough that the range from heaviest sludge band to least heavy stoner band is pretty massive. I think Kyuss tracks like Green Machine or Conan Troutman and Clutch tracks like High Caliber Consecrator and Impetus have been enough to gain identity in the metal scene, but of course most of their material does lean more toward rock and roll. If you Google "stoner metal albums" you're going to see Kyuss and Clutch, but if you Google "sludge metal albums" they won't be anywhere in sight.

EDIT: Also, I agree that TDNH is musically superior to DD and belongs on the list, but it is true that DD has more street cred as a classic for whatever reason.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1538786)

Fixed. And Paranoid is generally considered their best (for some strange reason), so that's why I put it up.

Paranoid is their best, but if you're going to put up a Sabbath album for doom then Master of reality is better, Paranoid should go in trad metal.

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