Metal Album Survivor [1st Wave Black Metal Division]

**Frownland** · 06-12-2015, 12:15 AM

Go touch yourself while you listen to Manowar or Blind Guardian, but Primus is tits and we both know it. Must be why you don't get it.

The Batlord · 06-12-2015, 12:23 AM

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Go touch yourself while you listen to Manowar or Blind Guardian, but Primus is tits and we both know it. Must be why you don't get it.

No, the music is just kind of there and the vocals try so hard to sound goofy and annoying that they are.

**Frownland** · 06-12-2015, 12:38 AM

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No, the music is just kind of there and the vocals try so hard to sound goofy and annoying that they are.

Just curious, are you a fan of any of Beefheart or Residents material? Those are larger influences on Primus's style than any metal or rock group, so I imagine that they pull in a lot more people like me than people who don't initially have interest in out there music.

What I love about this track:
Fun as hell
Claypool clearly has a terrible voice, but he takes the Lou Reed approach and relies more on phrasing and new approach as opposed to trying to pretend he has a good voice
That bassline
The texture of the main guitar riff when it does those seconds/near unisons
The interplay between the stringed instruments when the guitar jumps in is something that you don't see in many metal groups
I mean just listen to that ****, if you don't like it you're clearly a stick in the mud

The Batlord · 06-12-2015, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

What I love about this track:
Fun as hell
Claypool clearly has a terrible voice, but he takes the Lou Reed approach and relies more on phrasing and new approach as opposed to trying to pretend he has a good voice

Who cares? His voice is boring and annoying.

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That bassline

Certainly not awful, but I still don't care.

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The texture of the main guitar riff when it does those seconds/near unisons

I care even less.

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The interplay between the stringed instruments when the guitar jumps in is something that you don't see in many metal groups

A bunch of instruments I don't care about aren't going to make me care by doing **** together.

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I mean just listen to that ****, if you don't like it you're clearly a stick in the mud

Either that or avant garde fans are no better than prog fans when trying to justify their music by describing boring minutiae.

**Frownland** · 06-12-2015, 01:09 AM

I guess it's also like explaining to JWB why it's not cool to use fallacies. No matter how specific you get with your obviously correct reasoning, they'll still find some half assed way to write it off. To each their own, I listed all the things I loved about it an you simply retorted by saying those reasons are why you hate Primus. Kind of lazy img, but still, your opinion is still your own. Just know that my own is better than yours. I still love pretty much all of the other bands on the list apart from Deftones and Katatonia, but talking **** on Primus (which translates to first, as in first on the lists of bests, as in the best on this list. Pure logic, don't deny it) either you being petty or you revealing your ****e taste.

And no answer to my initial question? I assumed that it's no, but I figured I wouldn't try to be the TH to your Office Space and find out for sure, because the three bands in question really do attract similar audiences and I want to find out for sure why your opinion is so wrong.

The Batlord · 06-12-2015, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I guess it's also like explaining to JWB why it's not cool to use fallacies. No matter how specific you get with your obviously correct reasoning, they'll still find some half assed way to write it off. To each their own, I listed all the things I loved about it an you simply retorted by saying those reasons are why you hate Primus. Kind of lazy img, but still, your opinion is still your own. Just know that my own is better than yours. I still love pretty much all of the other bands on the list apart from Deftones and Katatonia, but talking **** on Primus (which translates to first, as in first on the lists of bests, as in the best on this list. Pure logic, don't deny it) either you being petty or you revealing your ****e taste.

And no answer to my initial question? I assumed that it's no, but I figured I wouldn't try to be the TH to your Office Space and find out for sure, because the three bands in question really do attract similar audiences and I want to find out for sure why your opinion is so wrong.

I don't like Primus because I find them to be boring. I really don't care to dissect why. Until the day in which I decide that I no longer find them to be boring, I will continue to be disinterested in figuring out ways to say how they bore me. Why you seem to think I owe you an explanation, I can only assume to be down to your desire to appear superior and artsy fartsy. Kind of implies a superficial sense of self-esteem if you ask me.

In fact, I honestly think I would rather listen to Metal Machine Music than Primus. I can listen to MMM as background noise, which is something I can't do with something as intrusively annoying as Primus, and I have also decided that MMM is oddly pretty.

And no, I haven't listened to Beefheart or the Residents yet. I did listen to Safe as Milk about a million years ago (three or four) and remember liking it, but other than that, no.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 06-12-2015, 06:32 AM

Soundgarden
Tool
White Zombie

Also, as far as the Primus discussion goes, the more I listen to them the more I enjoy their music. Some of the stuff actually reminds me a bit of SOAD.

Unknown Soldier · 06-12-2015, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I don't like Primus because I find them to be boring.

I pretty much find them boring as well, that Captain Beefheart/Frank Zappa influence that they have wears pretty thin after a few listens.

Tool - Lateralus
Alice in Chains - Dirt
Rage Against the Machine - Rage Against the Machine

FaSho · 06-12-2015, 10:58 AM

White Zombie
Soundgarden
Faith No More

**Frownland** · 06-12-2015, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I don't like Primus because I find them to be boring. I really don't care to dissect why. Until the day in which I decide that I no longer find them to be boring, I will continue to be disinterested in figuring out ways to say how they bore me. Why you seem to think I owe you an explanation, I can only assume to be down to your desire to appear superior and artsy fartsy. Kind of implies a superficial sense of self-esteem if you ask me.

I brought that up because I was just confused by this statement:

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Either that or avant garde fans are no better than prog fans when trying to justify their music by describing boring minutiae.

So are you saying that justifying why I like the music by describing things in the music that I enjoy is a bad thing? How would you go about then? Also, Primus avant-garde? Try again.

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In fact, I honestly think I would rather listen to Metal Machine Music than Primus. I can listen to MMM as background noise, which is something I can't do with something as intrusively annoying as Primus, and I have also decided that MMM is oddly pretty.

Well ja, I dig MMM more than Primus as it's one of my favourite albums so we agree there.

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And no, I haven't listened to Beefheart or the Residents yet. I did listen to Safe as Milk about a million years ago (three or four) and remember liking it, but other than that, no.

What are you even doing with your life?

Granted, I feel like both groups are far more advanced than Primus (although some tracks on Pork Soda contend, which is why it would have been a better pick), but their influence on the music is blatant and maybe it'll help you get a taste for the style that you find boring. My dad is a Primus fan, so I've been listening to them all of my life so it's kind of baffling to me that someone doesn't find their music to be fun and eclectic since I never had to work to get into their style.

06-12-2015, 12:15 AM	#1131 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Go touch yourself while you listen to Manowar or Blind Guardian, but Primus is tits and we both know it. Must be why you don't get it. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

06-12-2015, 01:09 AM	#1135 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I guess it's also like explaining to JWB why it's not cool to use fallacies. No matter how specific you get with your obviously correct reasoning, they'll still find some half assed way to write it off. To each their own, I listed all the things I loved about it an you simply retorted by saying those reasons are why you hate Primus. Kind of lazy img, but still, your opinion is still your own. Just know that my own is better than yours. I still love pretty much all of the other bands on the list apart from Deftones and Katatonia, but talking ** on Primus (which translates to first, as in first on the lists of bests, as in the best on this list. Pure logic, don't deny it) either you being petty or you revealing your *e taste. And no answer to my initial question? I assumed that it's no, but I figured I wouldn't try to be the TH to your Office Space and find out for sure, because the three bands in question really do attract similar audiences and I want to find out for sure why your opinion is so wrong. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.* d e a f b o x

06-12-2015, 06:32 AM	#1137 (permalink)
Ol’ Qwerty Bastard OQB Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Frownland Posts: 8,831	Soundgarden Tool White Zombie Also, as far as the Primus discussion goes, the more I listen to them the more I enjoy their music. Some of the stuff actually reminds me a bit of SOAD.