Is Burzum racist?

OccultHawk · 01-11-2015, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

First of all, there aren't multiple races of humanity. Humanity itself is a race. And while all of the sub-races that it is split up into do have varying attributes as they've adapted to various environments, the truth is that these sub-races haven't existed on their own for long enough to be drastically different from each other. The only real differences you'll find are in skin pigmentation and bone structure, as well as different genetic traits and slight changes in average organ sizes (such as the lungs), but never intelligence.

Think about it. If every group of humanity is surviving on their own, and survival of the fittest is in effect, why would one group become less intelligent than the others? Losing intelligence is a sure-fire way to get killed off before your genes can have a chance to spread. Makes no evolutionary sense, and every valid study into the subject has determined that no race is inherently "smarter" than the others. Now stop all of this racist drivel and let it be.

Check out "The Race Myth: Why We Pretend Race Exists in America" by Joseph Graves. It might answer some questions for you.

Race is not a myth. I correctly identify and distinguish between people of African and European ancestry everyday. If one group of people spent 100,000 years evolving in Norway and another in Angola different sorts of problem solving skills may have offered an evolutionary advantage. Evolution is notorious for being slow but when humans tinker with it, like with dogs and marijuana, we find it can happen quite quickly.

Chula Vista · 01-11-2015, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I'm talking about all of that and everything else the brain does as well. That's why I'm using the plural "intelligences".

Ok. So what is the question (and the point of the question) again?

OccultHawk · 01-11-2015, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy

It's not unthinkable, just unlikely.
And you ignored the part about environmental factors.
Plus we don't even really know how to define intelligence or how to really measure it.
We could also argue about whether only some races have a soul. We wouldn't really have much to go on and the motives of someone arguing in favour of this hypothesis would be highly dubious.

Actually we have all kinds of tests that measure certain KINDS of intelligence. And the brain is real. The chemicals in our brains that create consciousness are real. The soul is not real. That's an important difference.

Mondo Bungle · 01-11-2015, 02:07 PM

Sure, a lot of people talk about "the brain", but have you ever actually tasted one?

Oriphiel · 01-11-2015, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Race is not a myth. I correctly identify and distinguish between people of African and European ancestry everyday. If one group of people spent 100,000 years evolving in Norway and another in Angola different sorts of problem solving skills may have offered an evolutionary advantage. Evolution is notorious for being slow but when humans tinker with it, like with dogs and marijuana, we find it can happen quite quickly.

Actually it is a myth. Like I said, humanity hasn't existed for long enough as one race to have developed significantly on a new evolutionary path, let alone to have developed into multiple races that are completely different in any significant way. But you don't have to take my word for it. Read the book I recommended ("The Race Myth: Why We Pretend Race Exists in America" by Joseph Graves), look into all of the variety of studies that have been done on the subject, actually inform yourself of the situation instead of just reckoning.

I know it's hard for you to believe, but humanity is one race. We're all in this together. And while the sub-races of humanity do have differences, they're insignificant at most, and intelligence has never been linked to sub-racial backgrounds. Now, instead of just responding with another "I'm right and you're wrong" post, just look up the subject and inform yourself.

OccultHawk · 01-11-2015, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Ok. So what is the question (and the point of the question) again?

The question is why is it so unthinkable that different races have different predispositions to different kinds of intelligences. The point of the question is that we shouldn't be so sensitive about any issue that we're afraid to study it. Just suggesting the hypothesis is enough to get one branded a racist. That's hysterical.

William_the_Bloody · 01-11-2015, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle

That stuff's stupid though, I'll wear a shirt from a band that I like if I damn well please. That's what their for, to show what bands I like, anyone wearing a band shirt for any other reason is a poser.

Hey I'm all for freedom of expression, wear what you want, just be aware that your wearing a shirt by an artist who is a white supremacist.

grindy · 01-11-2015, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Actually we have all kinds of tests that measure certain KINDS of intelligence. And the brain is real. The chemicals in our brains that create consciousness are real. The soul is not real. That's an important difference.

Still ignoring my point about environmental factors in the development of intelligence, are you?

OccultHawk · 01-11-2015, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle

Sure, a lot of people talk about "the brain", but have you ever actually tasted one?

I've eaten brains and eggs but I'm not sure what kind of brains they were.

Isbjørn · 01-11-2015, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

First of all, there aren't multiple races of humanity. Humanity itself is a race. And while all of the sub-races that it is split up into do have varying attributes as they've adapted to various environments, the truth is that these sub-races haven't existed on their own for long enough to be drastically different from each other. The only real differences you'll find are in skin pigmentation and bone structure, as well as different genetic traits and slight changes in average organ sizes (such as the lungs), but never intelligence.

Think about it. If every group of humanity is surviving on their own, and survival of the fittest is in effect, why would one group become less intelligent than the others? Losing intelligence is a sure-fire way to get killed off before your genes can have a chance to spread. Makes no evolutionary sense, and every valid study into the subject has determined that no race is inherently "smarter" than the others. Now stop all of this racist drivel and let it be.

Check out "The Race Myth: Why We Pretend Race Exists in America" by Joseph Graves. It might answer some questions for you.

Humanity is a species, and there are genetic differences between humans relative to where they're from, because of evolution. Skin color, facial structure, hair curliness and so on. However, the differences between the "races" (I feel kind of dirty using that word) are of diminutive importance, so believing that one "race" is smarter/better than another is pointless.