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Chula Vista · 01-17-2015, 08:01 PM

Jebus folks, can we at least agree that frying Bundy was just?

Ted Bundy | Victims | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers

Think about how many mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, cousins, friends, etc. that ******* destroyed because of his perverse monstrosity.

~~James~~ · 01-17-2015, 08:02 PM

Not going to agree on that, Dude. Kind of the point of this whole conversation.

**Janszoon** · 01-17-2015, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Jebus folks, can we at least agree that frying Bundy was just?

Ted Bundy | Victims | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers

Think about how many mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, cousins, friends, etc. that ******* destroyed because of his perverse monstrosity.

Let me put it this way: I'm not exactly losing sleep over someone like Bundy dying, but I do feel that, taken as a whole, the death penalty is a bad idea.

Chula Vista · 01-17-2015, 08:16 PM

Fair enough.

Abortion.
Death Penalty.
Politics.

No easy answers.

The Batlord · 01-17-2015, 08:16 PM

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Well what about people with no family, no friends, hermits and loners?
This is getting more philosophical than political - but I suppose what this comes down to is the perception of 'value' and what we both hold to be important. I don't think emotional fulfillment is necessarily all that important in this world, except case to case and even then it's a personal thing. If we're talking about value to society in an extremely basic, stripped down sense then Bundy is physically fit and has a dick that works. If you remove everything that's really what's important.
You can't discuss the death penalty without morals coming into play, it is simply the most important aspect in that debate. If you try to look at it from a practical standpoint then the lines become too blurred - because on one hand hey smother him with a pillow then he won't use any of our resources and we'll protect our flock. If those rules apply to him, then we'd be killing people left right and centre. As said before, innocents are going to slip through the cracks. That's always going to be inexcusable in my eyes.

Of course a person's worth to society is a blurry issue, but the point is that a non-sociopath, no matter how anti-social, can be of mutual, reciprocated emotional worth to another human being in a positive sense. Not only is a sociopath incapable of that, but by their very nature they exploit this ability in others. I'm not saying we should purge sociopaths, as that would have the same kind of negative effect on a society's moral fabric that any genocide would, but in this case, I don't feel that the victims' loss would necessarily be a tragedy besides the effect the violence would have on the rest of us.

~~James~~ · 01-17-2015, 08:23 PM

To be honest I don't think abortion is in the same league as the death penalty. At least with the death penalty I can see the opposing argument. If you're pro-life I think you're ignorant and deluded, nothing anyone could say would ever bring me around to that way of thinking.

Pet_Sounds · 01-17-2015, 08:59 PM

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To be honest I don't think abortion is in the same league as the death penalty. At least with the death penalty I can see the opposing argument. If you're pro-life I think you're ignorant and deluded, nothing anyone could say would ever bring me around to that way of thinking.

I came very close to being aborted. I often wonder where I'd be now if my mother had made that decision. It haunts me.

That's why I'm pro-life.

~~James~~ · 01-17-2015, 09:02 PM

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I came very close to being aborted. I often wonder where I'd be now if my mother had made that decision. It haunts me.

That's why I'm pro-life.

Circumstantial but yeah. You have to realise you're the minority, most of these kids would grow up in environments where they either weren't wanted, or couldn't be supported.
Ultimately I think it's a woman's body, and I don't even feel fully comfortable commenting on it as a male.

OccultHawk · 01-17-2015, 09:08 PM

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I came very close to being aborted. I often wonder where I'd be now if my mother had made that decision. It haunts me.

That's why I'm pro-life.

You wonder where you would be?

Are you unaware that abortion kills the fetus?

You wouldn't be anywhere. You wouldn't exist. You'd be dead.

You no longer need to wonder. You're welcome.

Pet_Sounds · 01-17-2015, 09:11 PM

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Circumstantial but yeah. You have to realise you're the minority, most of these kids would grow up in environments where they either weren't wanted, or couldn't be supported.
Ultimately I think it's a woman's body, and I don't even feel fully comfortable commenting on it as a male.

It's just something that I can't put into words. My logical side says what you just pointed out, but there's an emotional nerve ending there for me. I can't explain it.

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Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Jebus folks, can we at least agree that frying Bundy was just? Ted Bundy \| Victims \| Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers Think about how many mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, cousins, friends, etc. that ******* destroyed because of his perverse monstrosity. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

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Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Fair enough. Abortion. Death Penalty. Politics. No easy answers. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

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~~James~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,483	Not going to agree on that, Dude. Kind of the point of this whole conversation.

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~~James~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,483	To be honest I don't think abortion is in the same league as the death penalty. At least with the death penalty I can see the opposing argument. If you're pro-life I think you're ignorant and deluded, nothing anyone could say would ever bring me around to that way of thinking.