Is Burzum racist?

Chula Vista · 01-17-2015, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by James

These murderers, no matter how horrible they are, are people. The same as all of us.

Uhm, no. Ted Bundy was a monster. Plain and simple.

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Sometime during the evening of January 14 or the early hours of January 15, 1978—one week after his arrival in Tallahassee—Bundy entered FSU's Chi Omega sorority house through a rear door with a faulty lock. Beginning at about 2:45 am he bludgeoned Margaret Bowman, 21, with a piece of oak firewood as she slept, then garroted her with a nylon stocking. He then entered the bedroom of 20-year-old Lisa Levy and beat her unconscious, strangled her, tore one of her nipples, bit deeply into her left buttock, and sexually assaulted her with a hair mist bottle. In an adjoining bedroom he attacked Kathy Kleiner, breaking her jaw and deeply lacerating her shoulder; and Karen Chandler, who suffered a concussion, broken jaw, loss of teeth, and a crushed finger.

After leaving the sorority house Bundy broke into a basement apartment eight blocks away and attacked FSU student Cheryl Thomas, dislocating her shoulder and fracturing her jaw and skull in five places. She was left with permanent deafness, and equilibrium damage that ended her dance career.

On February 8 Bundy drove 150 miles (240 km) east to Jacksonville in a stolen FSU van. In a parking lot he approached 14-year-old Leslie Parmenter, the daughter of Jacksonville Police Department's Chief of Detectives, identifying himself as "Richard Burton, Fire Department", but retreated when Parmenter's older brother arrived. That afternoon he backtracked 60 miles (97 km) westward to Lake City. At Lake City Junior High School the following morning, 12-year-old Kimberly Diane Leach was summoned to her homeroom by a teacher to retrieve a forgotten purse; she never returned to class. Seven weeks later, after an intensive search, her partially mummified remains were found in a pig farrowing shed near Suwannee River State Park, 35 miles (56 km) northwest of Lake City.

OccultHawk · 01-17-2015, 09:10 AM

So Bundy wasn't a person.

Good luck arguing that position.

My favorite Nazis are Hate Forset.

Does anyone else think they're special?

Chula Vista · 01-17-2015, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by James

These murders, no matter how horrible they are, are people. The same as all of us.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

So Bundy wasn't a person.

So, when was the last time you crushed a sleeping young woman's skull in with a slab of wood and then destroyed her anus with an aqua net can?

I didn't say he wasn't a person. I said he was a monster and not "the same as all of us".

**Frownland** · 01-17-2015, 10:52 AM

I'd say that we're all special little snowflakes.

Moss · 01-17-2015, 11:03 AM

I am against the death penalty in all forms simply because of the fact that it can't be applied equally and fairly. For example, kill a white person you are more likely to die. This country is way too racist and political and reactionary to ever fairly mete out justice.

Oriphiel · 01-17-2015, 11:10 AM

The main flaw with the death penalty is that it actually costs more to execute someone than it does to simply incarcerate someone for life. And by more, I mean over a hundred million more per year.

Death Penalty Cost | Amnesty International USA

~~James~~ · 01-17-2015, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

So, when was the last time you crushed a sleeping young woman's skull in with a slab of wood and then destroyed her anus with an aqua net can?

I didn't say he wasn't a person. I said he was a monster and not "the same as all of us".

Oh c'mon. In a biological sense. Don't be a pedant.

Chula Vista · 01-17-2015, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by James

Don't be a pedant.

Guilty as charged.

Quick sidebar: Probably the most horrifying non-fiction book I've ever read. The psychology of this guy was unprecedented. Hannibal Lector has nothing on Ted Bundy.

http://www.amazon.com/Stranger-Besid...rule+ted+bundy

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I had heard of this book, of course; had wanted to read it for years, so when this 20th anniversary edition came out, I decided to give it a go. I had a pre-conceived notion: OK, this is going to be a really interesting biography of Ted Bundy, with the added attraction of having been written by a former dear friend. Fast, easy crime reading, I thought.
I was wrong. This story is so chilling, so frightening, it grips you in the gut. Ann Rule has simply stated the facts. No sensationalism, no gratuitous gore, no psychobabble. Just the facts. As they happend. And even though the reader might think of Ted Bundy as "old news," and even though he was executed in 1989, this book makes one check to see that the doors and windows are locked.
There are actually two stories here: one describes the gradual disintegration of a seemingly normal, affable, brilliant man into a sexual psychopath so evil, so methodical in his vicious killings, that one wonders if he was at all human. The other story is that of Ann Rule herself, a decent, hard-working, middle-aged mother of four who meets and befriends a nice young man working beside her in a crisis clinic. A man she regards as a younger brother; a man she views as a close and trusted friend. The slow but inexorable realization on Rule's part that this man is in fact an unspeakably violent serial killer is as painful to read as it was for her to experience.

And yes, Burzum (Varg) is racist. Also homophobic, misogynistic, anti-social, and most definitely sociopathic.

The Batlord · 01-17-2015, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by James

Oh c'mon. In a biological sense. Don't be a pedant.

Well then how is it a relevant argument? Are you against exceptions made when the plug is pulled on someone who is brain dead? Or abortion? Simply having human DNA shouldn't be the first and last argument as to your "right to life". I'm sure your first argument would be that someone who is brain dead or a fetus doesn't have consciousness or something similar, but I'd ask you whether you thought the consciousness of someone like Ted Bundy or Adolf Hitler was really like that of a "normal" human being, and if it was really worth preserving?

Dylstew · 01-17-2015, 02:46 PM

Oh my god and they keep going.

And this makes me wonder. Did anyone read my gay little story or did they skip straight to the question?

01-17-2015, 10:52 AM	#224 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I'd say that we're all special little snowflakes. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

01-17-2015, 09:10 AM	#222 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	So Bundy wasn't a person. Good luck arguing that position. My favorite Nazis are Hate Forset. Does anyone else think they're special?

01-17-2015, 11:03 AM	#225 (permalink)
Moss Scuttle Buttin' Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Boulder Colorado Posts: 972	I am against the death penalty in all forms simply because of the fact that it can't be applied equally and fairly. For example, kill a white person you are more likely to die. This country is way too racist and political and reactionary to ever fairly mete out justice.

01-17-2015, 11:10 AM	#226 (permalink)
Oriphiel Ask me how! Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: The States Posts: 5,354	The main flaw with the death penalty is that it actually costs more to execute someone than it does to simply incarcerate someone for life. And by more, I mean over a hundred million more per year. Death Penalty Cost \| Amnesty International USA

01-17-2015, 02:46 PM	#230 (permalink)
Dylstew Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,366	Oh my god and they keep going. And this makes me wonder. Did anyone read my gay little story or did they skip straight to the question?