AC/DC Rock or Bust

Ninetales · 01-07-2015, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Moss

I have not heard it either and don't care to hear it. My point is that rejecting music because it's simple is stupid. Some of the best songs ever written are 2 or 3 chords and no complexity at all. Now if you don't like AC/DC because you don't like the music, that is a different beast and perfectly acceptable.

oh ya im just being a dick haha. loads of music that I love are super "simple"

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 01-07-2015, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

So people who say that they never change are ignorant (insert Michael Jackson gif here)...but AC/DC never needed to change? I'm a little confused man.

To add on to my confusion you suggest that when a band makes a horrible attempt at alt-rock being an attempt to stay relevant? Bands that **** out the same album time after time (I'd name some, but just look at most of the classics) were already huge by the time that they were trying to stay relevant and had a rather sizeable fanbase that would buy whatever X Group would shove into a cd case and ram it down their throats for a couple of months saying it's the **** when it's just **** (see: Endless River; same **** I hated about all of your albums, different albums; you died an ugly swan, Pink Floyd). Metallica would definitely be one of those groups.

A band may not NEED to change their style, sometimes it's even preferred, but when Back In Black is running its course through your digestive system once again, you might want to head off to the grocery store and buy something fresh before you regurgitate it back onto your family who's really too nice to say anything about how awful it is.

I acknowledge your points, all valid. Let's see if I can help your confusion, man trust me, I know I can confuse people easily with my train of (often odd) thought...

I didn't say that everyone that said AC/DC should have made changes throughout their career, were ignorant to say so. It's their opinion. I think maybe using that word was the wrong way to express my thought in the first place, so my bad there.

Frownland, I like the bands I listen to, to evolve throughout their career too. But there are those bands that are still here today, that just do not need to, and AC/DC are one of those bands in my opinion. I understand peoples desire for there to have been change at some point, but that doesn't matter because the band will do what they want in the end. AC/DC just don't seem to see a point to do any changing, whether that is because they know fans will buy whatever the pack in a cd case, as you said, or there's just no desire within the band for change.

And, no, not every attempt to try something new, is done so to remain relevant. A lot of bands do it just because they can, or want to. I've always wanted to hear a more aggressive AC/DC record, but I am content if I never get it. And don't bring Pink Floyd in to this haha, what they did with this last album, was a pretty lame move, and I don't care of it is meant to be a tribute to their keyboardist or whatever. The music was so mediocre, it hurt. I don't think they could have made it more clear how much they don't give a sh*t what their fans wanted, The Endless River was a sorry offering. But...you know, haha, I also believe bands don't need to, or shouldn't cater to their fans every demand.

To get back to my prior post and your reply to it. Ignorant was the wrong choice of a word on my part. Ignorance doesn't factor in here. So I am man enough to say you have me there, I really have no defense for why I even said that.

Bottom line. Anyone familiar with this band, should know what they'll get with albums they put out. They've been consistent with their sound from the beginning.

GioMetaxas · 01-07-2015, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyriako5

I didn't hear their new album yet but yes most of their songs are based on the same chords and ideas. I believe they just keep using the same style just because most of their older songs are famous. Of course no one said that is easy to come up with something new that will become a success, so for what it seems to be their last album it seems natural to stay on the same direction. Complexity is good but usually simple songs have much more success and they express some aspects much more than complex songs.

Kyriako5, all your points are valid. The idea of "Rock or Bust" being their last album hadn't crossed my mind and I agree with you that it would be unexpected to see a change in their style in their last album (if this will be the one).

GioMetaxas · 01-07-2015, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadChannel

Some people's taste tends towards more musically complex stuff, which is fine imo. I do like a (well written) simple punk song, though.

That's unarguably true! Some people like 3-chord songs, others prefer minimalistic music, others prefer music in which the main concept is improvisation, whether lyrical or instrumental.

Dylstew · 01-07-2015, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Moss

If you don't like AC/DC simply because they lack complexity you are a music douche. I don't even care that they kind of make the same album over and over. They still do it well.

I don't like Brian Johnson era ACDC because of that. Bon Scott AC/DC feels a lot less repetitive imo.

GioMetaxas · 01-07-2015, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew

I don't like Brian Johnson era ACDC because of that. Bon Scott AC/DC feels a lot less repetitive imo.

I understand where you're coming from. You can definitely sense a difference between the two eras as far as the vocal lines go. Do you think there is any difference from the fact that Brian Johnson's voice has also changed? His singing style in the album "Back in Black" is without a doubt different than in "Black Ice" or "Rock or Bust".

GioMetaxas · 01-07-2015, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

I acknowledge your points, all valid. Let's see if I can help your confusion, man trust me, I know I can confuse people easily with my train of (often odd) thought...

I didn't say that everyone that said AC/DC should have made changes throughout their career, were ignorant to say so. It's their opinion. I think maybe using that word was the wrong way to express my thought in the first place, so my bad there.

Frownland, I like the bands I listen to, to evolve throughout their career too. But there are those bands that are still here today, that just do not need to, and AC/DC are one of those bands in my opinion. I understand peoples desire for there to have been change at some point, but that doesn't matter because the band will do what they want in the end. AC/DC just don't seem to see a point to do any changing, whether that is because they know fans will buy whatever the pack in a cd case, as you said, or there's just no desire within the band for change.

And, no, not every attempt to try something new, is done so to remain relevant. A lot of bands do it just because they can, or want to. I've always wanted to hear a more aggressive AC/DC record, but I am content if I never get it. And don't bring Pink Floyd in to this haha, what they did with this last album, was a pretty lame move, and I don't care of it is meant to be a tribute to their keyboardist or whatever. The music was so mediocre, it hurt. I don't think they could have made it more clear how much they don't give a sh*t what their fans wanted, The Endless River was a sorry offering. But...you know, haha, I also believe bands don't need to, or shouldn't cater to their fans every demand.

To get back to my prior post and your reply to it. Ignorant was the wrong choice of a word on my part. Ignorance doesn't factor in here. So I am man enough to say you have me there, I really have no defense for why I even said that.

Bottom line. Anyone familiar with this band, should know what they'll get with albums they put out. They've been consistent with their sound from the beginning.

I agree with your points but I would like to add that as far as wanting to 'change', or not seeing the point in it, you have to take into account that their name is AC/DC for a reason. They have been labeled as raw power, electricity. Since "High Voltage" they had made a statement of what was to come. It's all about the energy that they offer through their music.

Therefore, my personal opinion is that there was or is no actual reason to change. They are preserving the primary image which they have been putting out for the past 40 years.

**Frownland** · 01-07-2015, 09:12 AM

You guys seriously think they don't need to change? The horse is dead man, they don't need to keep beating it off. How about they write a song that shows off how allegedly great of a guitarist Angus Young is? Of the ten or so albums I've ears from them I've only been impressed by his playing on two or three songs.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-07-2015, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

You guys seriously think they don't need to change? The horse is dead man, they don't need to keep beating it off. How about they write a song that shows off how allegedly great of a guitarist Angus Young is? Of the ten or so albums I've ears from them I've only been impressed by his playing on two or three songs.

If they all sound the same shouldn't you be impressed by all of them, or none of them?

GioMetaxas · 01-07-2015, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

You guys seriously think they don't need to change? The horse is dead man, they don't need to keep beating it off. How about they write a song that shows off how allegedly great of a guitarist Angus Young is? Of the ten or so albums I've ears from them I've only been impressed by his playing on two or three songs.

It depends on what you mean by change. You can certainly spot a difference on the sound quality amongst their older and newer albums. In addition, their primary goal for the guitar parts has been to blend the rhythm guitar and the lead guitar in order to create one 'enhanced' guitar sound which is full of power.

As for the change in the music itself, I do not believe that they need to change, because they are preserving the image that they first put out. Again, Metallica comes to mind. That's just my personal opinion though.

@UrbanHatemonger That's an interesting approach. Would you mind digging a bit into that?

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