CoNtrivedNiHilism

DISCLAIMER: I saw the Bush thread made back in 2009, but this isn't a Bush topic only so figured I'd just open its own thread.

So, essentially I don't want this to be so much a Gavin vs Kurt debate/and or discussion, so much as I just want this to be something to more or less talk about two very charismatic frontmen from an era in music that has a lot of nostalgia, or maybe a time in music that some of us here miss, as there were some great music or bands in general from that time of grunge music. But it likely will become just that, Gavin vs Kurt...

My opinion has always been that Gavin was the better frontman; better songwriter, had better control of his voice and better range, wasn't as sloppy of a guitar player, always seemed to have a more appealing stage presence in comparison to Kurt. Kurt was a damaged guy, had issues. To a lot of people that makes for a more interesting frontman. Under all that was just a mediocre guitar player, songwriter, singer, so on and so forth. I like Kurt, always have. But I've just never understood why people think he is so great. I've struggled with this since the first time I heard both bands and began forming my opinions on the two. But I always went back to who as a frontman I thought was better, Gavin or Kurt. And I always say it is Gavin.

As a last thought. Bush wasn't this Nirvana rip off band that so many people thought they were. Nirvana wasn't the first grunge band, they were just the first to make it big and get critical acclaim. So it is easy for anyone to claim that any band that made it big after them that played the some genre of music, was a copycat band. That's ridiculous everyone. Bush had influence from Nirvana, there a songs where this is crystal clear. But I've heard every Bush album ever released. And I can say that Bush did have a sound that was more or less theirs. Gavin didn't copy Kurts vocals. That's something I hear or read a lot. Gavin had a distinct voice all his own, just like Kurt did.

Discuss.

GuD

Who the fvck is Bush? Who the fvck is Gavin Rossdale and why does his name sound so stupid?


Kurt was a great guitarist. He definitely stole a few things here and there but he wrote great riffs and melodies. He was just too ****ed up to play them right. He was punk rock to the end. Horrible personality a lot of the time though, he comes off as a real elitist prick sometimes.

/debate over

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William_the_Bloody

Nirvana was a band that came out of the American underground, while Bush is a poser band from Britain that jumped on the bandwagon to make loads of cash.

No comparison between Kurt and Gavin in my opinion.

CoNtrivedNiHilism

haha, well those aren't exactly the opinions I was hoping to get, or rather I was wanting people to actually take the time to express their opinion on either singer/and or band without taking the usual route of just lashing out at either or both. It's all so typical, you two.

How exactly can someone make a claim like Bush just wanted to hop on a bandwagon for loads of cash? It's as if you might have been there when Nigel and Gavin first talked about putting a band together, what their intentions or vision was for a band if they actually put one together, whether once all the original band members got together to hash out what identity as a band they wanted, that they all agreed to more or less be less wild child version of Nirvana. Really, what kind of statement is that to make of Bush?

Bush irrefutably had plenty of influence from Nirvana, but it wasn't just Nirvana that influenced them, or just grunge music at all that influenced Bush, the people that comprised the band at the time they were popular in the states. Bush is brought up in a discussion, and what pops in the minds of those that never got the band or liked them, is that Gavin was a wannabe Cobain and his band were just posers playing music they knew was popular. You know, a popular opinion like that, doesn't make that opinion the truth or a fact.

I could say that Nirvana were a band copying something they heard another band playing and so they decided to play that kind of music too. But I'd sound arrogant, not to mention full of myself.

This is a bit of a pisser of a topic for me, because I fully believe that Bush deserves more credit than they get. Posers? No. Part of an era of music like any other band that played the same kind of music? Yes.

GuD

tldr


I HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN ON THIS MATTER. IT IS THUS SETTLED. I HAVE DEFEATED THE DEBATE- KURT COBAIN IS OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR. BOW BEFORE MY BRILLIANCE.

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CoNtrivedNiHilism

Only if you offer something I like. Only.

How about you go back, read lyrics from both bands, not just skimming them. Then come back to me and honestly tell me that Kurt wrote better music.

Kurt wrote good music. Gavin wrote better music. And if Kurt had a lead guitar player like Nigel in Nirvana instead of Gavin in Bush. Kurt would have been writing better music...and I don't mean better music than Gavin, simply better music than what Kurt had wrote at the time.

GuD

BOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

do it

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CoNtrivedNiHilism

Yeah...I can say that won't ever happen.

But here's a gold star for effort.

GuD

Come the day will, revel in it I shall...

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Mondo Bungle

If I may weigh in, most people don't realize that two large pieces of coral painted brown and attached to his skull with common wood screws can make a child look like a deer.

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