Besides the vocals, what's the real difference between Death and Thrash Metal?

Dylstew · 09-12-2014, 06:06 AM

Besides the vocals, what's the real difference between Death and Thrash Metal?
I've listened to Death, and am listening to Entombed's first album now, and you know, this sub genre seems a lot like Thrash Metal, but with a different style of vocals. What are the big differences?

**Janszoon** · 09-12-2014, 06:41 AM

Well, death metal grew out of thrash so there's certainly a lot of overlap in sound, especially with early death metal bands, but I'd say death metal is generally heavier and faster with more going on with the drums and less of that patented thrash sweeping going on with the guitar.

Forward To Death · 09-16-2014, 10:12 PM

Like Janszoon said, they're very similar and especially as you get closer to the origins of death metal. A lot of the same qualities can be found in almost all early forms of extreme metal. What sets them apart, I think, is thrash's foundations being rooted in NWOBHM style metal, or power metal, which is typically more melodic. Thrash was a heavier variety of "speed metal" (a more sped up version of power metal), usually with more controversial/violent lyrical content and with faster/heavier (more distorted) musicianship.

Death metal basically takes the heaviest thrash and does the same thing with it that thrash metal did with power metal. Lyrics are typically very graphic, musicianship is even faster and heavier, etc.

Dylstew · 09-17-2014, 10:39 AM

hmm, thanks for the info. but it makes me wonder.. if they're so similar, why do I see some people loving Death Metal, but disliking Thrash?

**Janszoon** · 09-17-2014, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew

hmm, thanks for the info. but it makes me wonder.. if they're so similar, why do I see some people loving Death Metal, but disliking Thrash?

Well, it's only early death metal that sounds similar to thrash. Maybe those people are fans of later death metal.

Forward To Death · 09-17-2014, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew

hmm, thanks for the info. but it makes me wonder.. if they're so similar, why do I see some people loving Death Metal, but disliking Thrash?

Probably because a lot of metalheads only like one kind of music. They have their own subcultures, some of them more extreme than others. If you ever have time, read up on black metal and the following that they have in Scandinavia. It'll illustrate the kind of dogma that I'm talking about, and it'll basically answer any question you have as to why so many metalheads hate a lot of good music that you'd think they would embrace.

The Batlord · 09-17-2014, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew

hmm, thanks for the info. but it makes me wonder.. if they're so similar, why do I see some people loving Death Metal, but disliking Thrash?

Similar is relative. These may sound alike...

Thrash Metal

Death Metal

But these most certainly do not...

Thrash Metal

Death Metal

Zack · 09-21-2014, 09:25 AM

Please don't beat me up.

Most metal sub-genres display such a level of similarity in rhythmic, timbral, melodic, instrumentational, harmonic, and lyrical content that, in almost any other style of music, it would all be lumped together.

Please don't beat me up.

I love the quirky, silly, barely distinct plethora of Metal sub-genres, some with only a handful of bands in them, but it IS kind of silly how we sub-divide.

Please don't beat me up.

For Example, look at contemporary "classical" music. That's some of the most varied stuff out there. 70 years ago, you had everything from guys trying to sound like Bach with just a few changes; you had guys applying mathematical formulas to their music to ensure that no note, rhythm, or harmony was repeated; you had guys composing music with nothing but the sounds of passing trains; you had guys letting the randomizing principles of various fortune-telling devices write for them; and you had guys composing nothing but silence. You had guys starting to not even use the notes you're all used to.

From there, "classical" music has only expanded and gotten weirder and more varied, but it's still usually only broken into a very few sub-genres.

Same with contemporary Jazz...

Please don't beat me up.

However, Metal is almost always in one of a few simple time-signatures, almost always has very similar instrumentation, uses the same very simple harmonies, the same musical concepts, similar melodies, the same playing styles, the same dynamic, etc, but still somehow has tons of very similar subgenres...

Please don't beat me up.

I think a lot of it comes from Metal-fans being very exclusive, and often (in my experience) really not listening to much other than Metal, and maybe one or two other genres that have some reasonably related aspects.

That isolation from other musics, I think, leads to a desire to create variety within the genre, without really expanding it's musical borders too much.

Please don't beat me up.

That said, Death and Thrash are pretty dissimilar, as mainstream metal genres go. Listen a bit more, I'm sure you'll hear the difference!

hip hop bunny hop · 09-21-2014, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Zack

Please don't beat me up.

I think a lot of it comes from Metal-fans being very exclusive, and often (in my experience) really not listening to much other than Metal, and maybe one or two other genres that have some reasonably related aspects.

That isolation from other musics, I think, leads to a desire to create variety within the genre, without really expanding it's musical borders too much.

Please don't beat me up.

You do light upon a very important point. Today, it is en vogue for a music fan to sit you down and tell you how they enjoy Einsturzende Neubauten and Nujabes and Emperor and Merzbow and Kanye and Mongolian Throat Singing and.....

The idea being that people who listen to one or a few genres are narrow minded, as opposed to the wordly cosmopolitanism exhibited above.

Dylstew · 09-22-2014, 03:08 AM

Okay, so it's probably just because I've only listened to early Death bands so far.
But then again, modern versions of genres usually sound pretty different from their original counterpart, so my point on how early death sounds similar to early thrash still stands.

09-12-2014, 06:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
Dylstew Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,366	Besides the vocals, what's the real difference between Death and Thrash Metal? Besides the vocals, what's the real difference between Death and Thrash Metal? I've listened to Death, and am listening to Entombed's first album now, and you know, this sub genre seems a lot like Thrash Metal, but with a different style of vocals. What are the big differences?

09-12-2014, 06:41 AM	#2 (permalink)
Janszoon Mate, Spawn & Die Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Rapping Community Posts: 24,593	Well, death metal grew out of thrash so there's certainly a lot of overlap in sound, especially with early death metal bands, but I'd say death metal is generally heavier and faster with more going on with the drums and less of that patented thrash sweeping going on with the guitar. __________________ A Night in the Life of the Invisible Man Time & Place 25 Albums You Should Hear Before the Moon Crashes into the Earth and We All Die last.fm

09-21-2014, 09:25 AM	#8 (permalink)
Zack Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Brunswick, Maine Posts: 79	Please don't beat me up. Most metal sub-genres display such a level of similarity in rhythmic, timbral, melodic, instrumentational, harmonic, and lyrical content that, in almost any other style of music, it would all be lumped together. Please don't beat me up. I love the quirky, silly, barely distinct plethora of Metal sub-genres, some with only a handful of bands in them, but it IS kind of silly how we sub-divide. Please don't beat me up. For Example, look at contemporary "classical" music. That's some of the most varied stuff out there. 70 years ago, you had everything from guys trying to sound like Bach with just a few changes; you had guys applying mathematical formulas to their music to ensure that no note, rhythm, or harmony was repeated; you had guys composing music with nothing but the sounds of passing trains; you had guys letting the randomizing principles of various fortune-telling devices write for them; and you had guys composing nothing but silence. You had guys starting to not even use the notes you're all used to. From there, "classical" music has only expanded and gotten weirder and more varied, but it's still usually only broken into a very few sub-genres. Same with contemporary Jazz... Please don't beat me up. However, Metal is almost always in one of a few simple time-signatures, almost always has very similar instrumentation, uses the same very simple harmonies, the same musical concepts, similar melodies, the same playing styles, the same dynamic, etc, but still somehow has tons of very similar subgenres... Please don't beat me up. I think a lot of it comes from Metal-fans being very exclusive, and often (in my experience) really not listening to much other than Metal, and maybe one or two other genres that have some reasonably related aspects. That isolation from other musics, I think, leads to a desire to create variety within the genre, without really expanding it's musical borders too much. Please don't beat me up. That said, Death and Thrash are pretty dissimilar, as mainstream metal genres go. Listen a bit more, I'm sure you'll hear the difference! __________________ The Passage of... ------- (Classical Synth) Danceables ------- (Dance Synth with a Latin Flair) Meanderings ------- (Classical Synth) Raven ------- (Rock Opera)

09-16-2014, 10:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	Like Janszoon said, they're very similar and especially as you get closer to the origins of death metal. A lot of the same qualities can be found in almost all early forms of extreme metal. What sets them apart, I think, is thrash's foundations being rooted in NWOBHM style metal, or power metal, which is typically more melodic. Thrash was a heavier variety of "speed metal" (a more sped up version of power metal), usually with more controversial/violent lyrical content and with faster/heavier (more distorted) musicianship. Death metal basically takes the heaviest thrash and does the same thing with it that thrash metal did with power metal. Lyrics are typically very graphic, musicianship is even faster and heavier, etc.

09-17-2014, 10:39 AM	#4 (permalink)
Dylstew Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,366	hmm, thanks for the info. but it makes me wonder.. if they're so similar, why do I see some people loving Death Metal, but disliking Thrash?

09-22-2014, 03:08 AM	#10 (permalink)
Dylstew Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,366	Okay, so it's probably just because I've only listened to early Death bands so far. But then again, modern versions of genres usually sound pretty different from their original counterpart, so my point on how early death sounds similar to early thrash still stands.