Metal Month II is coming...

Trollheart · 09-22-2014, 03:05 AM

Okay, which would you suggest? I know nothing really of Pantera beyond "Cowboys from Hell"?

The Batlord · 09-22-2014, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Okay, which would you suggest? I know nothing really of Pantera beyond "Cowboys from Hell"?

I've never listened to early Pantera, but I hear they were closer to Van Halen than... Pantera. So, I don't imagine you have to worry about your ears bleeding. On that note, you should probably stay away from Far Beyond Driven and The Great Southern Trendkill. They're about as close to death metal-brutal as non-extreme metal gets. This is me being honest and not trolly BTW.

I was also serious about you listening to the Chasm. Whether or not you review it for your journal, I would be curious to see how you felt about death metal with no vocals. I've taken the liberty of collecting the non-vocal songs from that album I mentioned. They're a death metal band, so they're not exactly easy listening, but they're also not nearly as abrasive as Cryptopsy, and actually let some honest-to-dog melody into their music. I might say they're even proggy if I were qualified to call something proggy.

Spoiler for death to the metal:

Unknown Soldier · 09-22-2014, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Okay, which would you suggest? I know nothing really of Pantera beyond "Cowboys from Hell"?

Of the first four albums the only one really worth it is Power Metal (nothing to with power metal btw) and shows in places the sound that they would become famous for. But its all the studio albums after that were the band clicked.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I've never listened to early Pantera, but I hear they're closer to Van Halen than... Pantera. So, I don't imagine you have to worry about your ears bleeding. On that note, you should probably stay away from Far Beyond Driven and The Great Southern Trendkill. They're about as close to death metal-brutal as non-extreme metal gets. This is me being honest and not trolly BTW.

I always thought that groove metal was an extreme metal sub-genre, or don't you think it is?

The Batlord · 09-22-2014, 09:02 AM

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I always thought that groove metal was an extreme metal sub-genre, or don't you think it is?

For me to call a genre extreme metal there has to be a general consensus that all of the bands in the genre must play extreme metal. Like, I wouldn't call thrash metal an extreme metal genre, since much of it was made up of bands like Anthrax, Annihilator, Metallica, etc, even though bands like Slayer and Kreator would qualify (I'd use "extreme thrash" to make the distinction.) But, for the most part, any death metal or black metal band is at least encouraged to play extreme metal. Many bands experiment with non-extreme metal forms of music, and some even dispense with extreme metal altogether at times, but as a status quo, those genres are explicitly concerned with being "extreme", rather than potentially less hardline concepts like "aggressive" or "hard" or "fast" or whatever.

Groove metal bands in general are more of the thrash metal mindset, where they're "badass", but aren't necessarily out to actually be extreme metal. So I'd consider the bands at the heavier end of the spectrum, like Pantera and Machine Head, to be flirting with extreme metal, even though their music might actually be more extreme than many actual extreme metal bands (Although I sometimes go back and forth with those two bands, depending which albums we're talking about.) A vague distinction perhaps, but it makes sense in my mind. Lamb of God though, at least their first two albums, I'd definitely consider extreme metal, since they were obviously going for extreme. I wouldn't be surprised if they played a few blast beats back in their early early days.

**Janszoon** · 09-22-2014, 09:06 AM

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For me to call a genre extreme metal there has to be a general consensus that all of the bands in the genre must play extreme metal. Like, I wouldn't call thrash metal an extreme metal genre, since much of it was made up of bands like Anthrax, Annihilator, Metallica, etc, even though bands like Slayer and Kreator would qualify (I'd use "extreme thrash" to make the distinction.) But, for the most part, any death metal or black metal band is at least encouraged to play extreme metal. Many bands experiment with non-extreme metal forms of music, and some even dispense with extreme metal altogether at times, but as a status quo, those genres are explicitly concerned with being "extreme", rather than potentially less hardline concepts like "aggressive" or "hard" or "fast" or whatever.

Groove metal bands in general are more of the thrash metal mindset, where they're "badass", but aren't necessarily out to actually be extreme metal. So I'd consider the bands at the heavier end of the spectrum, like Pantera and Machine Head, to be flirting with extreme metal, even though their music might actually be more extreme than many actual extreme metal bands (Although I sometimes go back and forth with those two bands, depending which albums we're talking about.) A vague distinction perhaps, but it makes sense in my mind. Lamb of God though, at least their first two albums, I'd definitely consider extreme metal, since they were obviously going for extreme. I wouldn't be surprised if they played a few blast beats back in their early early days.

To be extreme metal, a band must be fronted by Gary Cherone.

Unknown Soldier · 09-22-2014, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

For me to call a genre extreme metal there has to be a general consensus that all of the bands in the genre must play extreme metal. Like, I wouldn't call thrash metal an extreme metal genre, since much of it was made up of bands like Anthrax, Annihilator, Metallica, etc, even though bands like Slayer and Kreator would qualify (I'd use "extreme thrash" to make the distinction.) But, for the most part, any death metal or black metal band is at least encouraged to play extreme metal. Many bands experiment with non-extreme metal forms of music, and some even dispense with extreme metal altogether at times, but as a status quo, those genres are explicitly concerned with being "extreme", rather than potentially less hardline concepts like "aggressive" or "hard" or "fast" or whatever.

Groove metal bands in general are more of the thrash metal mindset, where they're "badass", but aren't necessarily out to actually be extreme metal. So I'd consider the bands at the heavier end of the spectrum, like Pantera and Machine Head, to be flirting with extreme metal, even though their music might actually be more extreme than many actual extreme metal bands (Although I sometimes go back and forth with those two bands, depending which albums we're talking about.) A vague distinction perhaps, but it makes sense in my mind. Lamb of God though, at least their first two albums, I'd definitely consider extreme metal, since they were obviously going for extreme. I wouldn't be surprised if they played a few blast beats back in their early early days.

Agree with most of that and thrash is probably the dividing line between what is extreme and what is not with the bands you've mentioned. I was thinking along similar lines for when I go into thrash in my journal.

Trollheart · 09-29-2014, 12:04 PM

Just a quick reminder, Metal Month II starts on Wednesday! Hope to see you all there. Drop in for a pint and a blistering guitar solo; we'll keep a seat for ya right up front!

Trollheart · 09-29-2014, 06:59 PM

Another update:

Mastodon --- Blood mountain
Cavalera Conspiracy -- Inflikted
Sigh --- Imaginary sonicscape
Znowhite --- Act of God
Draconian --- Arcane rain fell
Cryptopsy --- None so vile --- reviewed but has been seconded to the new section "The Batlord's Torture Chamber"
Mondstille --- Seelenwund
Urfaust -- Geist ist teufel
Conan --- Monnos
Reinxeed --- 1912
Forefather --- Steadfast
Finntroll --- Nattfodd
Wintersun --- Wintersun
Night sun --- Mournin'
Pantera --- Metal magic
Gallowbraid --- Ashen elaidon
Dissection --- Storm of the light's bane
Arcturus --- La masquerade infernale
The Chasm --- Farseeing the paranormal abysm

Trollheart · 10-01-2014, 05:29 PM

We've opened with two new albums from the "Freshly forged in '14" section, with the latest release from Panopticon, "Roads to the north", and Savage Messiah's "The fateful dark", while also starting off on our short world tour with "The International Language of Metal". We start our journey in Brazil, where so far we've reviewed "Legacy of humanity" by Anubis.

Lots more to come tomorrow, and we'll be revealing who our Featured Artiste is. You may be surprised!

Drop in if you feel like it. The beer is always cold, and free, and the women? Well they're not cold, nor free, but ... you know ...

Trollheart · 10-04-2014, 07:08 PM

Back we go to our Featured Artiste, to sample the delights of Slayer's second album, "Hell awaits", while in the Members' Top Ten lists we're running the second third of Janszoon's , with contributions from Electric Wizard, Faith No More, High on Fire and one I couldn't find from Psychofagist. We also have new "Freshly Forged" albums from Desert Lord and Battleroar, as well as another member-recommended album, this time from Plankton as I listen to and review Cavalera Conspiracy's "Inflikted".

Tomorrow we're back in Brazil and also opening The Batlord's Torture Chamber (enter ye who dare), as well as a few other surprises.

09-22-2014, 03:05 AM	#1 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	Okay, which would you suggest? I know nothing really of Pantera beyond "Cowboys from Hell"? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

09-29-2014, 12:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	Just a quick reminder, Metal Month II starts on Wednesday! Hope to see you all there. Drop in for a pint and a blistering guitar solo; we'll keep a seat for ya right up front! __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

09-29-2014, 06:59 PM	#8 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	Another update: Mastodon --- Blood mountain Cavalera Conspiracy -- Inflikted Sigh --- Imaginary sonicscape Znowhite --- Act of God Draconian --- Arcane rain fell Cryptopsy --- None so vile --- reviewed but has been seconded to the new section "The Batlord's Torture Chamber" Mondstille --- Seelenwund Urfaust -- Geist ist teufel Conan --- Monnos Reinxeed --- 1912 Forefather --- Steadfast Finntroll --- Nattfodd Wintersun --- Wintersun Night sun --- Mournin' Pantera --- Metal magic Gallowbraid --- Ashen elaidon Dissection --- Storm of the light's bane Arcturus --- La masquerade infernale The Chasm --- Farseeing the paranormal abysm __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018 Last edited by Trollheart; 10-04-2014 at 07:00 PM.

10-01-2014, 05:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	Metal Month II: Day One We've opened with two new albums from the "Freshly forged in '14" section, with the latest release from Panopticon, "Roads to the north", and Savage Messiah's "The fateful dark", while also starting off on our short world tour with "The International Language of Metal". We start our journey in Brazil, where so far we've reviewed "Legacy of humanity" by Anubis. Lots more to come tomorrow, and we'll be revealing who our Featured Artiste is. You may be surprised! Drop in if you feel like it. The beer is always cold, and free, and the women? Well they're not cold, nor free, but ... you know ... __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

10-04-2014, 07:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	Metal Month II: Day Four Back we go to our Featured Artiste, to sample the delights of Slayer's second album, "Hell awaits", while in the Members' Top Ten lists we're running the second third of Janszoon's , with contributions from Electric Wizard, Faith No More, High on Fire and one I couldn't find from Psychofagist. We also have new "Freshly Forged" albums from *Desert Lord* and *Battleroar, as well as another member-recommended album, this time from Plankton as I listen to and review Cavalera Conspiracy's "Inflikted".* Tomorrow we're back in Brazil and also opening The Batlord's Torture Chamber (enter ye who dare), as well as a few other surprises. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018