Is extreme metal boring now?

**Janszoon** · 05-12-2014, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

@ Mythosofmetal: perhaps I should rephrase: I don't hear any melody in it. It's true some people may hear melody in birdsong, wind, a car engine or anything else, but that doesn't mean I do. You're right in that I have looked very little into this subgenre, but again check my journal for Metal Month (October 2013) and you'll see I gave it a good shot, and did not just put down every band. I tried but little of it appealed to me, though the odd one did.

I find it hard to find any melody in music that is played way way too fast to follow (for me) or gutteral or screamed vocals that seem to be just ranting a lot of the time (Morbid Angel/Slipknot/Possessed etc). Also I've had people far more into this music than I would ever be tell me "there doesn't always have to be melody", which presupposes they don't necessarily hear any in the music of some of the bands in this subgenre either...

Melody is a series of notes played in a pattern, so it definitely has melody. It's just not a melody that you enjoy.

Trollheart · 05-12-2014, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew

The more melodic you make it, the less it sounds like the genre :P. Sure, there's melody in there, but like you said: Not a lot.

Yeah, more or less what I was saying..

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Melody is a series of notes played in a pattern, so it definitely has melody. It's just not a melody that you enjoy.

No, it's a melody I can't hear. There's a difference. There are plenty of melodies I don't like but can at least detect. In much extreme metal I hear NO melody. As I said, correcting myself, it's not that there IS none there but just that I don't hear it. It's not that I don't enjoy it; it is not there, for me, to hear to enjoy or dislike.

You tell me where the melody is here

To me, that's just noise.
I know; I'm a girl.

But that's how I view music like this.

**Janszoon** · 05-12-2014, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Yeah, more or less what I was saying..

No, it's a melody I can't hear. There's a difference. There are plenty of melodies I don't like but can at least detect. In much extreme metal I hear NO melody. As I said, correcting myself, it's not that there IS none there but just that I don't hear it. It's not that I don't enjoy it; it is not there, for me, to hear to enjoy or dislike.

You tell me where the melody is here

To me, that's just noise.
I know; I'm a girl.

But that's how I view music like this.

All the notes coming out of the guitar in sequence constitute melody. I understand you not liking it or finding it abrasive, but I don't get how you can say you don't hear it. Surely you hear that there is a guitar being played in that song, right? The song even has a minute-long bridge from about 1:10 to 2:10 where they completely focus on melody.

Dylstew · 05-12-2014, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Yeah, more or less what I was saying..

No, it's a melody I can't hear. There's a difference. There are plenty of melodies I don't like but can at least detect. In much extreme metal I hear NO melody. As I said, correcting myself, it's not that there IS none there but just that I don't hear it. It's not that I don't enjoy it; it is not there, for me, to hear to enjoy or dislike.

You tell me where the melody is here

To me, that's just noise.
I know; I'm a girl.

But that's how I view music like this.

Most of the melody comes from the guitar. Take this metalcore(It's one of the few metalcore bands I like) riff for example when I sing along with it and slow it down(although not really extreme metal, I suck at playing guitar and this is simple and I can easily find tabs for it).
Song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruGkLEZsN4o
0:00-0:12

Me:
Vocaroo | Voice message

That's definitely a melody.

Or what about this riff at the beginning which most of my friends find that sounds very random. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gnO-YrRAQY

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1IkxmHBtlHI
The timing on that one is rather odd, but that has to do with the fact that it has mathcore elements.
Sure, it's a weird type of melody, but it's definitely a melody..

William_the_Bloody · 05-12-2014, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Yeah, more or less what I was saying..

No, it's a melody I can't hear. There's a difference. There are plenty of melodies I don't like but can at least detect. In much extreme metal I hear NO melody. As I said, correcting myself, it's not that there IS none there but just that I don't hear it. It's not that I don't enjoy it; it is not there, for me, to hear to enjoy or dislike.

To me, that's just noise.
I know; I'm a girl.

But that's how I view music like this.

I think I understand what you mean by melody, you mean harmony. No you will not find much harmony in most death metal because it utilize a lot of chromatic scales and semitones.

It is bouncing from full tones that produces the melody/harmony that you like, this is less prevalent when you are utilizing semitones, which is why a Morbid Angel album sounds like one long jazz instrumental.

You will however finds lots of melody in Black Metal especially bands that utilize symphonics. Dimmu Borgir is the most accessible of these bands for a newbie, but u have to listen to a lot satanist garb, so if that's not your bag try the first Ulver album, or do a search for black folk metal.

The Batlord · 05-13-2014, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

You will however finds lots of melody in Black Metal especially bands that utilize symphonics. Dimmu Borgir is the most accessible of these bands for a newbie, but u have to listen to a lot satanist garb, so if that's not your bag try the first Ulver album, or do a search for black folk metal.

Or I'd again suggest Dissection. You can actually understand what they're singing, and they have an almost Maidenish vibe at times. This song right here is the closest extreme metal will ever get to a ballad.