Trollheart

Yeah, more or less what I was saying..
No, it's a melody I can't hear. There's a difference. There are plenty of melodies I don't like but can at least detect. In much extreme metal I hear NO melody. As I said, correcting myself, it's not that there IS none there but just that I don't hear it. It's not that I don't enjoy it; it is not there, for me, to hear to enjoy or dislike.

You tell me where the melody is here


To me, that's just noise.
I know; I'm a girl. But that's how I view music like this.

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Janszoon

All the notes coming out of the guitar in sequence constitute melody. I understand you not liking it or finding it abrasive, but I don't get how you can say you don't hear it. Surely you hear that there is a guitar being played in that song, right? The song even has a minute-long bridge from about 1:10 to 2:10 where they completely focus on melody.

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Dylstew

Most of the melody comes from the guitar. Take this metalcore(It's one of the few metalcore bands I like) riff for example when I sing along with it and slow it down(although not really extreme metal, I suck at playing guitar and this is simple and I can easily find tabs for it).
Song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruGkLEZsN4o
0:00-0:12

Me:
Vocaroo | Voice message

That's definitely a melody.

Or what about this riff at the beginning which most of my friends find that sounds very random. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gnO-YrRAQY

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1IkxmHBtlHI
The timing on that one is rather odd, but that has to do with the fact that it has mathcore elements.
Sure, it's a weird type of melody, but it's definitely a melody..

Cicatrice

Wow. I leave for a couple days, come back, and this thread has grown.

Cool to see the different opinions and outlooks.

You have possibly heard the album before, Trollheart, but what is your opinion on something like Dissection's - Storm of the Lights Bane? Because there's without doubt melody to be found throughout this album, and by most this album is regarded as a classic. Yes it still has what some might classify as "unbearable" vocals and its hardly accessible.

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Trollheart

Okay, can we just establish something here? You all may hear melody in that song but I don't. You can't make me hear something I don't feel is there, so can you all just accept that and move on? I'm getting a little weary saying why I can't hear melody, why it is not melody to me. That's how I am, it's my opinion and my view. Can you just leave it at that instead of trying to convince me and essentially saying, you're wrong, the melody is there?

I don't hear it. I can't. So let that be an end to it. Please.

Thanks.

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Cicatrice

Sure.

But for the record I'm not trying to convince you to hear something you don't. I actually asked you what your opinion was on the song/album if you had ever heard it. And yes, I did voice my personal opinion on the song having melody, and for most people into Dissection that's among the first thing they will mention about the band is them being focused on melody. That's not to say you or everyone will, or should, hear it. Many people probably won't hear it, and many probably will write it off as garbage. I simply asked you your opinion.

Perhaps you weren't talking to me, and if not you can ignore this post. Again if I came across as trying to convince you to hear something, that was not how I intended it.

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Trollheart

Sorry no I wasn't talking to you. It was Janszoon and I think mythosofmetal I was directing my comment at.

Haven't listened to that track yet but I will. Your comment that the vocals could be deemed "unbearable" does not fill me with hope though!

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Cicatrice

Okay, gotcha!

I'm curious to hear your opinion on the track, if by chance you DO enjoy it I can shoot you some similar bands you might like.

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Carpe Mortem

Yeah I think I just don't dig deviating from my own invented definition for 'extreme' haha. It's too ingrained.

But, if I were to do so, I'd have to say extreme metal isn't boring now, nor has it ever been. If anything, the black and death bands have definitely gotten more creative and it's a genre that keeps seeing more and more growth with more and more experimentation. Today's bands are a far cry from the **** I used to listen to.

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mythsofmetal

I thought you might find this interesting Trollheart. Consonance and dissonance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The link is about consonance and dissonance in music. Consonance is something generally thought of as pleasant, and dissonance is usually thought of as something harsher, or not immediately pleasing to the average person's ears.

I've found a lot of extreme Metal focuses on dissonance at many points during songs. So I thought you may be thinking dissonant melodies aren't really melodies and only really recognize the consonant/easily appreciable melodies as such. Though a lot of extreme Metal can focus just as much on consonance as dissonance.

At the top right of the wiki page there's two sound samples, one a consonant melody and another one a dissonant one. I'd like it if you could listen to both to get an idea of what I'm talking about and would encourage you to read further into the article if you want.


Also, here's an extreme Metal song which I'd like you to listen to, to see if you do find melody in it. The reason I'm posting this is because I've found a lot of people who are new to genres and have only heard select groups can have warped ideas on what the whole genre contains. So I wanted to share this song with you to see if it could possibly change your opinion on extreme Metal.

This song would pretty much fit into the genre of Post-Black Metal.


Janvs - Torri di Vetro - YouTube