Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1485327)

Yeah, but that's mostly been in the area of left-field, experimental metal bands. To me, the main point of metal is that it's louder than other forms of rock. So the main impetus for metal was making it heavier, faster, and/or more aggressive than the bands before. We kind of reached the high point in the nineties. You're not really gonna get much more brutal than death metal, or faster than grindcore, or heavier than Electric Wizard (well, maybe, but not to any profound degree), so outside of wild experimentation the main goal of metal has kind of been reached. Sure that's an over-simplification, but it's still somewhat true. There are plenty of good death/black/doom/thrash/whatever metal bands out there, but they're all pretty much retreading the same territory, so I'd say that metal is definitely stale from a creative standpoint.

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1485420)

I would say the 21 century has been pretty great for all varieties of good metal. This isn't sports, it's not about being the fastest, heaviest, etc. It's about making good music. And the past decade and half has been metal spreading it's wings and being an amazing and diverse genre unto itself, no longer simply a subgenre of rock.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1485467)

What are you, a musical hippy? The entire reason metal developed in the first place was because it was loud and all the angry dudes liked it. Now that metal's loudness has pretty much been tapped out all that's really left to develop are the experimental sub-genres. It's why the third wave of black metal is so talked about these days, or weird doom. Cause there isn't much else that's advancing. Death metal hasn't changed since the nineties. "Normal" black metal hasn't either. Or power metal. Thrash metal hasn't changed since the eighties. Any non-arty genre of metal is pretty much treading water in a sea of nostalgia.

And I'm honestly curious just what black metal is going to start doing once experimenting with post rock and industrial and shoegaze gets stale. Find other arbitrary alternative rock?

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1485578)

musical fuddyduddy

Originally Posted by Hades, Lord of the Dead (Post 1485580)

This is the second best insult I've heard all week. I'm trying to imagine someone saying that in a serious yet pissed off tone and I'm in stitches.

Originally Posted by Engine (Post 1485589)

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