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Originally Posted by Wpnfire
Who are you????????????? Seriously, it is like you are my doppelgänger or something.
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A doppelganger to whom? Myself?
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The black album as a heavy metal album: You think it is heavy metal, I think it is not.
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I have argued to the contrary about this often times. But I think it is heavy enough to be considered as such. If Sabbath can be placed in the genre, I don't see why this album cannot.
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Also, we seem to be in (slight) agreement that there are better applications of the word heavy than using it to describe the black album for the most part.
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As can be said about other metal bands, too, don't you agree?
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Also also, we (somehow) agree Sad But True is the heaviest song from that album, though we, bizarrely, have differing definitions and therefore applications of the word heavy.
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You try playing every song on that album, neglecting Nothing Else Matters, Unforgiven and Enter Sandman, and I think you'll find some very good songs that have that exact element of heavy as Sad But True. I don't believe that you are even sitting down to actually listen to them as I have been ever since this whole debate began. Listen to the album, skipping the obvious choices, and I think you might come away with a few more heavy sounding songs.
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you think Ride the Lightning is the 2nd best, and then even place And Justice above MoP...................you ****er. lol
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You shoulda said, "You motherbleeper, you." I think that would have been much funnier. I think Joe Pesei said that in Goodfellas, or something.
I don't know. Maybe I am wrong. I think I just like ...And Justice a bit better because there are so many songs on there, like the Black Album, but unlike Master of Puppets... I love every song on their first five albums. I still love Enter Sandman, but I don't listen to that one as much anymore. Doesn't mean I hate it.
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On the subject of kill Em All, we agree it is their edgiest material as well.
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Well, der.
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And Justice being a thrash metal album: We have differing views about this..............
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Maybe I was a little off about this one. But if you listen to each album, they get less thrashy than the last, and thus I think that you can see where the Black Album was going to lead to. ...And Justice is far heavier than the Black Album. I think we can both agree on that.
What about Slayer being thrash? I used to think that that was death metal before I heard what death really sounded like. But I don't think that Slayer is really thrash; it's closer to black metal...
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I still refuse to yield that And Justice is in fact a thrash metal album, so I guess I will admit that the black album is 'mainstream heavy metal.'
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Exactly. Just because it is mainstream, that doesn't mean it ain't metal.
Oh, by the way, I just gave you the clap!
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Load: I think this album is a POS, you think it is one of your favorite metallica albums.
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Did I say that? If I did, scratch that. It's not one of my favorites. You know what my favorite are. It's just a really good hard rock album. Hard Rock, you know?
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That being said, I love love love leove lvoelvo vleov lovoelve...."Ain't My Bitch"
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Yes, I think I recall.
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We both seem to like Megadeth as well.
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I do have a few of their albums, but never really got into them as much as Metallica. I want to give them more listens, though.
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Black Sabbath is unquestionably a heavy metal band.
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Then so is the Black Album, for reasons I've gone over.
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I saw someone on another site refer to Black Sabbath as "death metal."
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Uhem, what?
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I don't agree with calling Black Sabbath anything other than heavy metal, or first wave-*insert heavy metal genre here*.
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It's like viewing Deep Purple and Blue Oyster Cult as metal. I enjoy them a whole heck of a lot. But I've never considered them as metal. I see them as a progression to the genre, but they are just classic rock to me. Heck, those songs in the 50s I consider as pathing stones to metal.
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