Why such controversy on Nu Metal?

SalmonCubes · 01-20-2013, 09:19 AM

I see that alot of people here despise certain genres of metal particuarly nu metal, rap metal, occasionally black metal, etc.

Is there any particular reason for this? I don't really see what is so bad about bands such as Korn or Slipknot, or the like. In fact, they're some of my favorite bands.

It may not be traditional metal, but is there any particular reason people look down on it so much?

~~Whiskey~~ · 01-20-2013, 09:50 AM

I see nothing wrong with Nu metal except that most Nu metal artists are pretty bad in my opinion. The only ones I like are exactly the ones you mentioned. Korn and Slipknot. And perhaps Limp Bizkit too. All others are just pathetic in my opinion. They dont play music well, and their songs often have weird and stupid subjects. I guess thats the case with korn and slipknot as well, but at least they have some good albums.

joy_circumcision · 01-20-2013, 11:41 AM

I think it's weird to throw black metal in with those, but to answer your question, nu-metal is a synthesis that seems driven largely by adolescent and adolescent-acting bands, combining two genres of music that are 1. angsty and 2. easily commercial. The resulting music is usually a lot more proud of itself than it really deserves to be (lower technical skill than a lot of other metal genres, less lyrical depth and compositional profundity, etc. etc.) and unfortunately, due perhaps to the strong backlash against its founders, or perhaps to the transience of its demographic target, there's been very little exploration of it in the underground by more talented rappers and metal musicians.

~~ninaNirvana~~ · 02-01-2013, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by joy_circumcision

I think it's weird to throw black metal in with those, but to answer your question, nu-metal is a synthesis that seems driven largely by adolescent and adolescent-acting bands, combining two genres of music that are 1. angsty and 2. easily commercial. The resulting music is usually a lot more proud of itself than it really deserves to be (lower technical skill than a lot of other metal genres, less lyrical depth and compositional profundity, etc. etc.) and unfortunately, due perhaps to the strong backlash against its founders, or perhaps to the transience of its demographic target, there's been very little exploration of it in the underground by more talented rappers and metal musicians.

I agree very much. Nu Metal seems to water down the complexity in traditional metal genres. But there are some exceptions. I really love the band LoPro. Pete Murray's voice is amazing and I think he's a very underrated singer. If you listen to more complex recordings he's done you can hear his flexibility as a vocal artist. Here's Pete ( actually guest appearing on an MRI track ) singing these Arabian screams - kinda sounds like LoPro meets a Middle Eastern Alice In Chains - amazing

love the sitar-sounding guitar solo too

Antonio · 02-02-2013, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by joy_circumcision

I think it's weird to throw black metal in with those, but to answer your question, nu-metal is a synthesis that seems driven largely by adolescent and adolescent-acting bands, combining two genres of music that are 1. angsty and 2. easily commercial. The resulting music is usually a lot more proud of itself than it really deserves to be (lower technical skill than a lot of other metal genres, less lyrical depth and compositional profundity, etc. etc.) and unfortunately, due perhaps to the strong backlash against its founders, or perhaps to the transience of its demographic target, there's been very little exploration of it in the underground by more talented rappers and metal musicians.

This.

Any response after this post is basically just meaningless fluff.

Norg · 02-04-2013, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by joy_circumcision

I think it's weird to throw black metal in with those, but to answer your question, nu-metal is a synthesis that seems driven largely by adolescent and adolescent-acting bands, combining two genres of music that are 1. angsty and 2. easily commercial. The resulting music is usually a lot more proud of itself than it really deserves to be (lower technical skill than a lot of other metal genres, less lyrical depth and compositional profundity, etc. etc.) and unfortunately, due perhaps to the strong backlash against its founders, or perhaps to the transience of its demographic target, there's been very little exploration of it in the underground by more talented rappers and metal musicians.

your stereotyping

adolescent and adolescent-acting bands- uhh since the dawn of music teenagers and young adults are prob the people buying the most music its not like 50's & 80 year olds going out and buying the hottest new music and saying all NU metal bands act adolescent is just mad stereotyping

easily commercial-uhh during the time if u werent a pop band being in a rock band wasent your gateway to succuess because thats what NU metal at the core is ROck or heavy music they never claimed to be Metal

and just because u cant play a million notes or technical riffs really fast does not make u bad

and NU metal has been explored cept u wouldnt know it since NU metal bands now a days never considerd themselfs NU metal so they go into the studio and dont say hey lets make Nu metal musc they say here lets make some new music with no boundries and anything goes to me thats NU metal to make music with no boundries

so bassically NU metal now a days 2013 has turned into "Alternative" Music and to me Alternative could mean anything

~~Whiskey~~ · 02-05-2013, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Norg

your stereotyping

adolescent and adolescent-acting bands- uhh since the dawn of music teenagers and young adults are prob the people buying the most music its not like 50's & 80 year olds going out and buying the hottest new music and saying all NU metal bands act adolescent is just mad stereotyping

easily commercial-uhh during the time if u werent a pop band being in a rock band wasent your gateway to succuess because thats what NU metal at the core is ROck or heavy music they never claimed to be Metal

and just because u cant play a million notes or technical riffs really fast does not make u bad

and NU metal has been explored cept u wouldnt know it since NU metal bands now a days never considerd themselfs NU metal so they go into the studio and dont say hey lets make Nu metal musc they say here lets make some new music with no boundries and anything goes to me thats NU metal to make music with no boundries

so bassically NU metal now a days 2013 has turned into "Alternative" Music and to me Alternative could mean anything

Wait but isnt Alternative a whole different world I mean Nu metal has that influences too but to be honest they could just separate them and then people could notice the difference and also just because nu metal bands dont think they are nu metal doesnt mean they really are not nu metal it just means thats what they think?

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 02-05-2013, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Norg

your stereotyping

adolescent and adolescent-acting bands- uhh since the dawn of music teenagers and young adults are prob the people buying the most music its not like 50's & 80 year olds going out and buying the hottest new music and saying all NU metal bands act adolescent is just mad stereotyping

easily commercial-uhh during the time if u werent a pop band being in a rock band wasent your gateway to succuess because thats what NU metal at the core is ROck or heavy music they never claimed to be Metal

and just because u cant play a million notes or technical riffs really fast does not make u bad

and NU metal has been explored cept u wouldnt know it since NU metal bands now a days never considerd themselfs NU metal so they go into the studio and dont say hey lets make Nu metal musc they say here lets make some new music with no boundries and anything goes to me thats NU metal to make music with no boundries

so bassically NU metal now a days 2013 has turned into "Alternative" Music and to me Alternative could mean anything

You're.

The Batlord · 02-05-2013, 08:26 AM

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You're.

That's the typo you chose to highlight? That whole post was a grammatical train wreck. No offense to the poster of course.

~~Whiskey~~ · 02-05-2013, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

That's the typo you chose to highlight? That whole post was a grammatical train wreck. No offense to the poster of course.

I wonder if Norg is doing that intentionally. Looking at his posts back in 2009, they were still that way back then too, so probably not.

01-20-2013, 09:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
SalmonCubes Groupie Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: GA, U.S.A. Posts: 9	Why such controversy on Nu Metal? I see that alot of people here despise certain genres of metal particuarly nu metal, rap metal, occasionally black metal, etc. Is there any particular reason for this? I don't really see what is so bad about bands such as Korn or Slipknot, or the like. In fact, they're some of my favorite bands. It may not be traditional metal, but is there any particular reason people look down on it so much?

01-20-2013, 11:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
joy_circumcision Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 126	I think it's weird to throw black metal in with those, but to answer your question, nu-metal is a synthesis that seems driven largely by adolescent and adolescent-acting bands, combining two genres of music that are 1. angsty and 2. easily commercial. The resulting music is usually a lot more proud of itself than it really deserves to be (lower technical skill than a lot of other metal genres, less lyrical depth and compositional profundity, etc. etc.) and unfortunately, due perhaps to the strong backlash against its founders, or perhaps to the transience of its demographic target, there's been very little exploration of it in the underground by more talented rappers and metal musicians. __________________ My Music Journal My RYM (My Pride and Joy)

01-20-2013, 09:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
~~Whiskey~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Israel Posts: 180	I see nothing wrong with Nu metal except that most Nu metal artists are pretty bad in my opinion. The only ones I like are exactly the ones you mentioned. Korn and Slipknot. And perhaps Limp Bizkit too. All others are just pathetic in my opinion. They dont play music well, and their songs often have weird and stupid subjects. I guess thats the case with korn and slipknot as well, but at least they have some good albums.