Why such controversy on Nu Metal?

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 08-23-2014, 02:42 AM

I don't really care if people pick on me here over liking nu-metal. Fight the power!

Dylstew · 08-23-2014, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ascended.us

To say there is more controversy over Nu Metal is silly. I mean, look at the comments in the Skrillex videos, for example. Look at Rap. Constant flame wars. Look at Beiber, look at emo. It's a common issue when you have niche music.

Real emo is not controversial at all btw, people just seem to call bands emo that aren't emo these days.

Anyways, what you mentioned are really big artists that get a lot of hate from many music fans. But those are artists specifically. What I mean with a controversial sub genre, I mean one where the fans of the genre it comes from tend to hate on. In this case, Metal fans tend to hate on Nu Metal and bad Metalcore bands a lot.

Puffnstuff · 08-23-2014, 04:10 AM

I think that people should just appreciate the music for what it is and not get so caught up in the particular genre if it speaks to you and you can enjoy it in the first place.

Necro · 08-24-2014, 06:50 AM

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Those are not even straight up Hardcore Punk bands.
Come on man, Hardcore Punk started in the 80's, and that was it's most important time period.
Modern hardcore has a very different sound. I'm not saying it's not hardcore, but hardcore punk is without a doubt an 80's thing.

''uhhh u know Hardcore came out in like 2003 a little bit after Nu metal .....

unless your talking about bands like Cro mags bad brains ''

Unless? Bad brains is one of the original hardcore punk bands? Why the unless?
And cro-mags is crossover thrash, hardcore punk mixed with thrash metal.

Again, i didnt mean only hardcore punk, but new hardcore too, i wouldnt call thos ebands metalcore because theres not much metal in them, metalcore would be something like Unearth or early Trivium.
So the similarity between nu-metal and that kind of hardcore is that both genres are based on bouncy groove riffs and dark melodies but dont have the complexity of actual metal in the riffs or crazy-fast intense drums.

Necro · 08-24-2014, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ascended.us

Yep. Whenever you have those commercial big label bands, for example: Korn, Limp Bizkit, and Linkin Park, a team of marketing experts take some creative control over the projects. You can expect some overproduction and simple easy to digest music. The record labels find bands that align with what they think will make them the most money. Nu Metal is probably one of those genres. They find some kids off the street with a laptop and little natural talent, and they get em to sign over. They inflate the newly popular artist's value through intense radio play, special fx, and massive promotional campaigns. They're essentially average musicians who play and sing superficial lyrics with those same old themes about hating, being hated, and being crazy, which explains where a lot of the hate/controversy comes from.

For example, look at the lyrics from Never Never.
[Verse 1:]
I don't ever wanna have to try.
Though I lie, It never flies.
I don't ever wanna have to die.
But deep inside, The death it hides.
And I never wanna clarify and justify so I run and hide.
And I never wanna signify so I pacify all the hate inside.

But really, though. Don't get me wrong! I enjoy some of these songs, although at the same time, I do recognize like many others do that they are essentially just simple songs with negative lyrics.

And Beatles were simple songs with positive lyrics. If compositional simplicity is enough grounds to discredit a genre than most of those "classic" rock bands are bad and dont hold up against anything half-complex.
Plus you used a song from 2013 which is neither nu-metal nor represents the primary lifespan of the genre.
And id rather have nu-metal 24/7 on TV than the total bull**** that passes for rock music thats airing instead.

Necromancer · 08-24-2014, 07:32 AM

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And Beatles were simple songs with positive lyrics. If compositional simplicity is enough grounds to discredit a genre than most of those "classic" rock bands are bad and dont hold up against anything half-complex.
Plus you used a song from 2013 which is neither nu-metal nor represents the primary lifespan of the genre.
And id rather have nu-metal 24/7 on TV than the total bull**** that passes for rock music thats airing instead.

I agree, art simplicity can be just as creative as something that is technical. Good insight Necro.

Necro · 08-24-2014, 03:06 PM

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I agree, art simplicity can be just as creative as something that is technical. Good insight Necro.

Thanks but now, i wasnt necessarily defending simplicity, and songs being too boring and simple is part of the reason i was bashing on current rock. Granted, nu-metal is simpler in comparison to actual metal, but it still offered something in the groove rhythm section and riffs that even though simple, were unique to the genre.
Theres a respective level of complexity for every type of guitar music thats just enough and guarantees that the song isnt boring at the very least.

Necromancer · 08-24-2014, 05:51 PM

There's a few modern alternative bands out that I don't mind listening to.
Avatar has a unique stage presentation. Bloody Angel is their more mainstream single. Then there is Smells Like A Freakshow, which is mainstream friendly.
My personal favorite is Torn Apart, especially the glitched video effects. Their music defines simplicity in a big way, if you listen to them you'll see what I mean.

Musicfanatic · 08-24-2014, 11:02 PM

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heck id even consider nu-metal a remote subgenre of hardcore

I don't know much about hardcore, but what I do know is that I think you might have a point. Some nu-metal is angst ridden, plus very screamy, and I do believe that that was some of what hardcore was about. Correct me if I'm wrong, any hardcore fans.

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Also, as a side note, i dont get how nu-metal being too simple is a problem for people, if anything it makes them sound hypocritical, cos those same people also happen to like ****in Beatles and if you hear a Beatles song with technical shredding and face-ripping riffs let me know.

Never heard of Revolution, or Helter Skelter? Both are pretty heavy.

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Naw, man. Black Flag is a myth.

That's hardcore? I bought My War by them. Is that still in the style? Is the Damned hardcore, or just punk?

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Nah, there's way more controversy over Nu Metal. Do you see controversy over Thrash Metal, Black Metal

No to black metal? I think those church burnings across the lake were kind of controversial, and it had to do with black metal being taken too far...

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Do you see controversy over Hair/Glam Metal

Um, some, so yes.

Necro · 08-25-2014, 04:09 AM

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Never heard of Revolution, or Helter Skelter? Both are pretty heavy.

None of those are heavy or contain shredding, certainly not by todays standards.

Black Flag is hardcore punk, but the hardcore i was referring to are the modern bands with metallic sound.

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CoNtrivedNiHilism Because I Am, I Can! Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,128	I don't really care if people pick on me here over liking nu-metal. Fight the power!

08-24-2014, 05:51 PM	#198 (permalink)
Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	There's a few modern alternative bands out that I don't mind listening to. Avatar has a unique stage presentation. Bloody Angel is their more mainstream single. Then there is Smells Like A Freakshow, which is mainstream friendly. My personal favorite is Torn Apart, especially the glitched video effects. Their music defines simplicity in a big way, if you listen to them you'll see what I mean.