Worst/most comical/most embarrassing metal band

**Janszoon** · 09-05-2012, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Roots was different because Max liked the nu metal sound. Soulfly was an extention of Roots' sound.

I wouldn't even really say Roots was different so much as it was building on the sound of Chaos AD, which was building on the sound of Arise.

Forward To Death · 09-05-2012, 06:02 AM

Exactly right. The early stuff was more along the lines of extreme metal, Arise on up had more experimental elements, and Roots is nu metal all the way. Those are probably Sepultura's 3 biggest albums right there, none of which really sound totally different from Soulfly. I don't see how anyone could say Sepultura and Soulfly are without similarity.

LOLPOCALYPSE · 09-05-2012, 08:30 AM

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Woah, I thought I made it clear that genre had nothing to do with my assessment that Slipknot blows when I said that, more-or-less, word for word. Reading is fundamental.

Oh my, if you can't hear similarity in Sepultura and Soulfly, such as world music influence, similar nu metal style guitar tuning and vocals/lyricism being dead ringers.... Then I guess I'm wasting my time.

I was making a general statement, in response to someone else

LOLPOCALYPSE · 09-05-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Slipknot doesn't sound like Soulfly/Sepultura (who are nothing alike) but may be derivative of them? You can't have it both ways.

Corey's vocals are almost identical to Cavalera, the sounds and some styles of the musicians are similar. What else is there that they could possibly copy off of? Slipknot is Roots-era Sepultura without the talent or creativity.

Even bands in the same genre can sound very different, and Slipknot and Sepultura are not in the same genre. It would be difficult to describe anything by Slipknot as groove metal (and especially thrash!). If you would have said they are trying too hard to be Soulfly it would have made a little more sense, even if incorrect. Throwing Sepultura in there is what got me really confused. If Corey sounds like Max than I guess every metal harsh vocalist sounds the same.

LOLPOCALYPSE · 09-05-2012, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I wouldn't even really say Roots was different so much as it was building on the sound of Chaos AD, which was building on the sound of Arise.

Roots -> Soulfly, I get this.

Chaos AD introduced some new influences, but was still the Sepultura that people knew at the time. Roots was a very abrupt change. It would be like if In Flames took Reroute to Remain out of their discography: Clayman hints at a new direction without actually taking it, then Soundtrack to Your Escape is a full swing in another direction.

LOLPOCALYPSE · 09-05-2012, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Exactly right. The early stuff was more along the lines of extreme metal, Arise on up had more experimental elements, and Roots is nu metal all the way. Those are probably Sepultura's 3 biggest albums right there, none of which really sound totally different from Soulfly. I don't see how anyone could say Sepultura and Soulfly are without similarity.

If you define Sepultura entirely by one release (Roots), than yes, they are similar. If you acknowledge Sepultura's previous discography, not so much.

The only point I was trying to make (which I thought at the time wasn't a big deal) was that the two were not similar enough to use in the same comparison. How can a band be "trying too hard to be" 2 different bands? That's it

Howard the Duck · 09-05-2012, 08:57 AM

to be honest, i don't even think i want to hear Roots after all this talk

(I haven't heard it yet)

**Janszoon** · 09-05-2012, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LOLPOCALYPSE

Roots -> Soulfly, I get this.

Chaos AD introduced some new influences, but was still the Sepultura that people knew at the time. Roots was a very abrupt change. It would be like if In Flames took Reroute to Remain out of their discography: Clayman hints at a new direction without actually taking it, then Soundtrack to Your Escape is a full swing in another direction.

I know next to nothing about In Flames so I really can't speak to that comparison. But what I can tell you as a person who remembers these Sepultura albums when they were new is that, at the time, Roots was simply viewed as the band expanding upon what they had done on Chaos AD. I can't remember anyone I knew who listened to them back then having an "oh my god, this is like a completely different band" reaction to Roots at the time. You have to understand that nobody was connecting Roots to nu-metal back then. I'm not even sure the term "nu-metal" even existed yet. It was all about how Sepultura were continuing to add more of an overtly Brazilian influence to their music—that's what people were talking about.

Howard the Duck · 09-05-2012, 09:02 AM

a thing I wish to add about In Flames is that the metalcore version is not that different from the melodic death version

just more "clean" passages, that's all - the riffs are about the same, so are the "melodies"

Forward To Death · 09-05-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LOLPOCALYPSE

Even bands in the same genre can sound very different, and Slipknot and Sepultura are not in the same genre. It would be difficult to describe anything by Slipknot as groove metal (and especially thrash!). If you would have said they are trying too hard to be Soulfly it would have made a little more sense, even if incorrect. Throwing Sepultura in there is what got me really confused. If Corey sounds like Max than I guess every metal harsh vocalist sounds the same.

Uhh, no, I don't think very many people in music sound identical to each other, Corey is a dead ringer for Max.

Slipknot also has stylistic similarities to Sepultura, especially on their last three Cavalera albums. They are usually considered to be one of those extreme nu metal bands. You make it sound like they have no extreme metal influence. Open your ears man.

You keep missing these points and generally keep trying to show my argument as something it isn't.

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Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	Exactly right. The early stuff was more along the lines of extreme metal, Arise on up had more experimental elements, and Roots is nu metal all the way. Those are probably Sepultura's 3 biggest albums right there, none of which really sound totally different from Soulfly. I don't see how anyone could say Sepultura and Soulfly are without similarity.