Puddle of Mudd sucks more than Nickelback. However, my dislike for Nickelback is greater because of the fact that I'm exposed tot hem more than I am to Puddle of Mudd.

First of all, the small peice of what I've heard from Shakira is great.

On topic: I notice that you're slagging people who condeming them yet you can't describe them without being derogatory. I don't think everything they do sounds the same. Whats derivitive? People played those two songs together once and they sounded the same so now everything is the same?

Come on guys, Breath doesn't sound like how you remind me, doesn't sound like animals doesn't sound like rock star.

Is it so preposturous to think an artist makes similar sounding music to the music they made before? its called a style. I think the deftones all sound the same, John Fogerty got sued for sounding like himself. Tom petty has been ripping off half the number one artists for about 30 years now.

If you hate them so much why do you listen to so much of their "similar" sounding ****?

Tom petty's sh*t is good. Nickelback's isn't

However I do like their image.

nickleback sucks ass

POM is sooo much better

Shakira is good. I dance to her all the time..

No no stripping.

I thought they were the same band.

Wrong.

Puddle Of Mudd is better then Nickelback, I prefer a bad nirvana rip off over soft rock.

I'm not sure if that in its totality was directed at me, but I'll answer all the same.

When I say a band are derivative, I don't mean that the basic sound of all their songs seems to be the same. That, as you say, is just a style. I can live with that (well...unless there's so little to tell most of their songs from each other that it gets ridiculous! and yeah, there are plenty of bands like that). What I do mean by "derivative" is that a band simply rips off the basic sound (or style, as you call it) from some other popular, well-known and probably well respected act (or a few). Let's take probably one of the absolute best examples of this that comes to mind: Bush. Now, Bush were absolutely shameless Nirvana mimics. They got pretty much their entire early sound from them. Hell, there were even songs on which they supposedly borrowed the (uncommon) chord progressions of certain Nirvana songs - which would've been alright if it were merely coincidental, but hey, it was not. Bush aside, actually the entire post-grunge genre is filled with acts who simply sought to recreate the sound of early Pearl Jam and Nirvana.

Now, to address another point: does a band being "derivative" and a mimic act necessarily mean that they are "bad"? I wouldn't say so at all, I mean, they might do the mimic job pretty well. But what it does mean is that they don't exemplify much creative talent and don't really have their own face or identity. And generally speaking, a real dedicated long-term fan of rock/hard rock music (as opposed to casual listeners) will be looking to get a little more out of a band - something that is evidenced by the general response in this board whenever the name of Nickelback comes up.

About Shakira - I wasn't really saying she is "bad" as such (though I do think she is awful, make no mistake; this judgment boils down to her horrible voice) - but rather that the English songs of hers that I've heard have been bland, derivative and about as unoriginal as any pop material I've ever heard. Best example in question: "Illegal".

The real point was... if you're reviewing POP music (and Nickelback essentially fall under the category of "pop act"), then there are two approaches. You either review it in order to tell readers whether or not they'll like it...or you review it according to how original/innovative/clever it is. What irks me is that critics are happy to review Shakira and other pop-rock acts according to what the pop audience reading the review might like to listen to, and then when it comes to Nickelback who fall under the same banner, they tear them to shreds because it's "redundant". Hello? No sh*t, Sherlock! That's what it's damn well SUPPOSED to be!

My efforts are proving futile. But as someone pointed out, you're subjected to Nickleback more (cause their better cough), so to anyone who actually voted POM, I hope that your hell is the second POM CD on loop forever.

are not, big3.
to be fair, i dont really know either OVERLY well cause theyre both a bit crap & arent worth the money OR time, but yeah.
puddleofmudd are better. more fun.
nickleback are beige & dont vary & just lack something.
big time.
but yeah.
pom if i have to listen to either.

Fact: bumping sh*tty threads sucks

Quit picking fights because you have nothing intelligent to say, its getting old.

You chiming randomly to sound elitist is quite played out. Shouldnt you be killing yuourself right now or something?

Listen. It was out of line to come into a thread that was spawning musical discussion and call it "****ty" get over yourself you arrogant hillbilly.

Get down on it homeboy. Be a good mod and *shush*

guys . . .

in any event, the only worthwhile song Puddle of Mudd had was Clean and the one about being in a cage or something.
Everything else may have been better but . . I just hate teh frontman's voice. it makes me wanna drown.

Lol, get down on it? Jesus, I can't figure out if you want to be John Cena or just blow him these days. Seriously closet case, cut the **** you've ruined one too many threads.

And acting hardass on the internet, get the **** real...

Nickelback sucks. Plain and simple. I have never heard Puddle of Mudd, but I have noticed that most Nickelback fans like PoM too, so basically, they are both crap.

Thats the most stupid bullshit i've ever read. The majority of Zeppelin fans like the Beatles, and Zeppelin are crap should I assume the Beatles are also?

Zeppelin are... crap???

They were good musicians but possibly the biggest thieves in music history.

So are the bands they stole from.

I like Nickelback, and i also thought blurry was an alright song by Puddle of mud so i guess i dont belong in this thread, heh.....*leaves*

If you're a pioneer, then thievery's more tolerable.

Show me a band that hasn't stolen one thing. Hell, show me a band that hasn't stolen 5 things.

People see what they want to help facilitate their own opinions.

The concept of stealing in this context is pretty stupid, anyway, unless it's some actual bona fied daylight robbery!

Also, there's a difference between plain mimicry and having INFLUENCES.

nickelback gets only one point for making that song "saving me". Wait, was that them? BLEH, Nickelback can go fall in a puddle of mud..

It's not actually stealing, it's getting inspired to do your own peice of work when you are influenced by something great. I'd say it's more of an honour, unless you're one of those artists who are famous for constantly remaking other ppls music. That is a pirate.

Taking riffs and sh*t is totally just being influenced...

Yes, overrated boring cliche classic rock crap.

Its cliche for a reason, and their a large reason for why its cliche, because everyone copied them.

"Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action, "Bredon/Page/Plant."

"Black Mountain Side" - uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch.

"Bring It On Home" - the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune.

"Communication Breakdown" - derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."

"Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes's "Drop Down Daddy."

"Dazed And Confused" - uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song.

"Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."

"How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin' Wolf song. Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King's "The Hunter."

"In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan's debut).

"The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor" - Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70s and settled out of court.

"Moby ****" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love."

"Nobody's Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.

"Since I've Been Lovin' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape's "Never," though the music isn't similar.

"Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is from "Taurus" by Spirit.

"White Summer" - uncredited cover of Davey Graham's "She Moved Through The Fair."

"Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love."

Unfan, i've told you I love you right?

Best newb ever!

Loving me is pretty standard.

You missed out Tangerine , which was originally a song he wrote with the Yardbirds , The other members of the Yardbirds wern`t credited when it finally ended up on a Led Zep album.

if by missed you meant didn't highlight when he copy and pasted it, then I'll agree. The infatuation with them "stealing" is well documented, but im fairly certain you can do that witha ton of bands, I'd just actually have to do work. $20 proverbial dollars says you've never heard half of the "originals."

I don't know why I keep defending bands I don't care for this much, but im not going to allow the condemnation of a band for the same sin everyone else makes.

Edit: nd hey, furthermore is every band that rips off led zeppelin ripping off these guys too or is that cutting to close to the bands you like?

Depends on the song, and not at all.

Nickelback sucks way, way more. I met Wes, the Puddle of Mudd's lead singer, in Toledo, OH the night before he was arrested and he's actually a pretty cool guy.
Of course, I was super drunk off of tequila at the time...

Even though you will most certainly turn this around and start attacking me for no real reason, that was pwnage.

I've seen the same exact words and everything quoted by other fanatical Zep haters, so not only are they doing what they accuse Zep of doing, they're merely using some aforementioned allegations that they haven't even bothered to do background checks on to justify their misinformed opinions... I can honestly say that I have visited the majority of Anti-Zeppelin sites to do my own research on the matter, I can confirm that the majority of claims are based on distorted facts and ones own personal opinions about songs that "kinda" sound "sort of alike", rather than anything worthy of a valid argument.

Because if you did you would come to find that most of the allegations of plagiarism are incredibly exagerated.

The STH opening being a ripoff of Spirits "Taurus" thing is one paticular example of pure bullsh*t... It's barely even the same chord progression, let alone sounding even remotely similar.

Most of the artists Zep are accused of stealing from are blues artists, who make a habit out of plagiarising other works in their own right, and it only increases the irony level that many of Zeppelins critics are blues purists... It's all about double standards.

Ethan, I like you and all, but your arguments on this matter is beginning to annoy the hell out of me, that is to say if they even qualify as arguments at all, since what you're really doing is little more than saying "OMG they f*cking suck" and "What that guy says is TROOF", oh well thats just me, I have an overall problem with emo fans calling anything "cliche".