no no, i was just sayin that me sayin the Beatles suck is matter of my personal opinion, that doesnt mean they do. i was just answering your question that Brittney Spears isnt sucky to someone

they're both sh*tty bands in a huge pile of mediocre musicians fronted by an eddie vedder clone. theory of a dead man, creed, POM, and a ton of others, all sound the same, all have the same formula of catchy, bland lyrics and repetitive riffs. comparing them is like comparing falling to your death or getting shot. You can argue all you want about which is better, but in the end, they both suck horrible for all the same reasons.

Falling beats being shot simply because you get that moment to think "Oh ****! I fell!"

POM aren't grunge they are alt. rock, I agree that their music is influenced by many grunge bands or artists and it does sound alike. But it's not only them many other bands are the exact same way where people ofter confuse bands with the same sound or similar sound as grunge. I have to admit it's difficult to spot but POM is definatley missing parts in their music that is related with grunge.

Nickelback is defined as grunge......by about every source I know

Mainstream popularity should be thrown out the window when it comes to talent. I know people who can play guitar than any other pop-rco, grunge, whatever band you can think of. And according to the music they play it really isn't that hard. Not only that, but the creativity in mainstream music has died to the point where every song there is a major rip from something. Nobody mainstream plays music to advance music, they lay to get fans, money, and women. Now their are some circumstances (Tool, classic rock bands, etc,) which are talented mainstream, but lets not got here.

Talent is not a matter of taste and opinion

You do know they influenced just about every band you probably listen to.

I would agree with you on almost everything, but the lyrics part. Not all of theirs are like that, but either way the lyrics aren't good anyways.

What are those sources?

talent is a matter of taste and opinion, i think they have talent, others think they dont, alot of it has to do with taste and opinion.

obviously you have no clue what i all listen to, so dont go and say they influence everything i listen to

I really hate people that repeat this constantly.
I don`t see how two sh*tty generic MTV bands can be considered to have talent at all.

Did they do anything original? no.
Did they do anything groundbreaking? no.
Will they be remembered in the future for inspiring people to make interesting & thoughtful music? no.
Do people give a flying f*ck about 'hits' 2 or 3 years down the line? no

Are they bands that churn out middle of the road safe MTV grunge-lite crap that basically sounds like the worst excesses of 80s stadium rock repackaged as 'alternative rock' .......yes.

Seriously , save the word 'talent' for people who deserve it. Yes you do have the right to call anybody you want talented, but at least come up with something better than 'they had some chart hits' for your reasons or you will end up looking very very silly.

My thoughts on the "lolz its an opinion!" arguement.

Talent is a matter of taste and opinion to those who have a good ear that understands talent. When I listen to people talk about how talented those emo bands are I sit and laugh my butt off because they should not use talent in any sentence if they believe that.

Oh yeah and if you listen to these bands you have just accepted your music was influenced by the Beetles.