Discussion on Rock and "Post-Rock"

Key · 08-21-2012, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GrapevineFires

Rock music is generally the same as pop music, but less accessible. Post rock is completely different as it doesn't tend to follow any patterns of verses, choruses and bridges that rock and pop do.

Post rock doesn't tend to follow any patters or verses? Are you kidding? It follows as many patterns as rock music does, hence it being a sub genre. I can't tell if you've even heard post-rock or you're just making a generalization.

GrapevineFires · 08-22-2012, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki

Post rock doesn't tend to follow any patters or verses? Are you kidding? It follows as many patterns as rock music does, hence it being a sub genre

Tell me what these patterns are then.

Key · 08-22-2012, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GrapevineFires

Tell me what these patterns are then.

Why don't I just let you hear them yourself.

Spoiler for youtube videos:

Also:

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Post-rock is a subgenre of rock music characterized by the influence and use of instruments commonly associated with rock, but using rhythms and "guitars as facilitators of timbre and textures" not traditionally found in rock. Post-rock musicians often produce instrumental music.

I mentioned that post-rock and rock use some of the same patterns, though I never said that they both sound the same. They can be very similar depending on what you listen to.

GrapevineFires · 08-23-2012, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki

Why don't I just let you hear them yourself.
[spoiler=youtube videos]
Pretty constant if you ask me.
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???????? You've totally missed the point.

You claimed that post rock follows as many patterns as rock music does. Then posted 4 or 5 post rock videos. What song structures are constant in all thsoe videos posted? You're talking about similar patterns in individual song. I'm talking about similar patters in the genre.

In 90% of rock music, you can be sure you'll hear a verse, a chorus,a bridge etc

So I'll ask again, in 90% of post rock music, what structures are you likely to hear?

Key · 08-23-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GrapevineFires

???????? You've totally missed the point.

You claimed that post rock follows as many patterns as rock music does. Then posted 4 or 5 post rock videos. What song structures are constant in all thsoe videos posted? You're talking about similar patterns in individual song. I'm talking about similar patters in the genre.

In 90% of rock music, you can be sure you'll hear a verse, a chorus,a bridge etc

So I'll ask again, in 90% of post rock music, what structures are you likely to hear?

Actually, YOU'RE missing the point. Post-rock songs aren't supposed to sound the same. Some can, but most don't. As a genre, post-rock follows a pretty standard pattern which I am still going to have to forward you to those videos I posted. To be honest and to lightly quote another member in this forum, post-rock tends to follow patterns too often than not enough.

GrapevineFires · 08-23-2012, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki

Actually, YOU'RE missing the point. Post-rock songs aren't supposed to sound the same. Some can, but most don't. As a genre, post-rock follows a pretty standard pattern which I am still going to have to forward you to those videos I posted. To be honest and to lightly quote another member in this forum, post-rock tends to follow patterns too often than not enough.

Yet you cannot write in words what those patterns and structures are?

It's only a subdivision of rock because similar instruments are used in similar ways.

duga · 08-23-2012, 10:58 AM

Here are the patterns I've noticed...set up a nice dreamy atmosphere, keep building it and create some tension, then explode into an epic layered texture-athon for a while before calming down back to a whisper and repeat the whole process. Honestly, post-rock isn't terribly original. I love the atmosphere but a lot of it starts to blend together for me. I'll admit, though, that the great acts are the ones that push the envelope a bit in that regard.

GrapevineFires · 08-24-2012, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by duga

Here are the patterns I've noticed...set up a nice dreamy atmosphere, keep building it and create some tension, then explode into an epic layered texture-athon for a while before calming down back to a whisper and repeat the whole process. Honestly, post-rock isn't terribly original. I love the atmosphere but a lot of it starts to blend together for me. I'll admit, though, that the great acts are the ones that push the envelope a bit in that regard.

Now we're getting somewhere. Cheers for this.

But post rock for me is far, far less predictable than Rock. That's what makes it far more interesting. There are lots of post rock tunes that do follow the patterns you've implied. But not as many as the basic formula for Rock songs.

Also if you look at GYBE, early Sigur Ros, Yndi Halda, Mono and Mogwai, who are Pioneers of the Genre, then this doesn't really apply.

I don't think anybody claimed it was original either. It's my favoueite genre, and rock is one of my least favourite, therefore I saw value in the opening post.

duga · 08-24-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GrapevineFires

Also if you look at GYBE, early Sigur Ros, Yndi Halda, Mono and Mogwai, who are Pioneers of the Genre, then this doesn't really apply.

Sure, it's less predictable. I'd say on the "patterned structure" scale, it's halfway between rock and progressive rock. Predictable...but not quite.

And those bands you mentioned are some of the greats I was talking about. Although Mogwai tends to fall into the pattern I mentioned sometimes (even though they do it really well).

Key · 08-24-2012, 11:52 AM

I've listened to Yndi Halda a bunch of times and I can't say that I hear anything too special compared to the other acts that i've listened to.

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duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	Here are the patterns I've noticed...set up a nice dreamy atmosphere, keep building it and create some tension, then explode into an epic layered texture-athon for a while before calming down back to a whisper and repeat the whole process. Honestly, post-rock isn't terribly original. I love the atmosphere but a lot of it starts to blend together for me. I'll admit, though, that the great acts are the ones that push the envelope a bit in that regard. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

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Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	I've listened to Yndi Halda a bunch of times and I can't say that I hear anything too special compared to the other acts that i've listened to.