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View Poll Results: Best band: 90s Seattle Era
Nirvana 47 31.13%
Alice In Chains 40 26.49%
Soundgarden 15 9.93%
Pearl Jam 18 11.92%
Stone Temple Pilots 6 3.97%
Mudhoney 6 3.97%
Other 17 11.26%
Tad 2 1.32%
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:32 AM   #341 (permalink)
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I agree a lot with what Travis Bickle is saying here in regards to Stadium Rock (Arena Rock) I really can't see any link between that and a band like Alice in Chains. What is Stadium Rock? Well I'm sure you all know, but its basically music designed for the big arena surprisingly enough Queen were probably one of the first true stadium rock bands, as that was roughly when the term was first used as a serious description, bands such as Grand Funk Railroad, Led Zeppelin etc had been coined it before but I'd say Queen kicked the whole thing off. Stadium rock especially in the 70s and 80s were normally bands with vocalists that really could perform live and the musicians knew their stuff and could play some complex stuff when required. A lot of prog bands didn't make great stadium rock outfits due to the complexities of their sound, which is why stadium rock was such fertile ground for pomp rock bands like Styx and Kansas, along with AOR giants of the 70s Fleetwood Mac, Supertramp and Eagles, and then later artists like U2 and Dire Straits to name a few. The heavier end of the spectrum was also well represented in Aerosmith, Van Halen, Kiss and later Iron Maiden would fill in that category. It was around the mid 1980s that the quality stadium rock artists fell by the wayside (Toto, Journey, Survivor and Boston etc) and hair metal bands led by a revived Aerosmith and newbies such as Gun n Roses and Bon Jovi etc stepped into the empty void.

Now if anything, grunge like punk and the NWOBHM before it were the antithesis of stadium rock, these were grassroots movements that worked with stripped down musical arrangements and image and were completely opposed to the slick sounding AOR acts before them. I really don't see how Alice in Chains would appeal to a stadium rock fan!!! I'm a huge stadium rock fan and really don't like Alice in Chains that much. The only grunge band that had any type of stadium rock appeal were Pearl Jam and Ten was the perfect evidence of that.

Cross-genre appeal is often different things to different people, for somebody into metal its usually looked upon as something dodgy and to be viewed at with caution, Funk Metal and especially Nu-Metal, but certain metal bands such as Between the Buried and Me have made it very acceptable, whereas to a more general music listener, cross-genre appeal is often seen as something positive, as I said before Nirvana were probably the only grunge band with any cross-genre appeal thanks to their well hidden pop melodies that seemed to run through a most of their songs and appealed to people into all different types of music.

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Old 04-01-2012, 04:42 AM   #342 (permalink)
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i think UH meant to say AIC had the most "arena rock" sound of the grunge groups

Arena Rock is, I suppose, pioneered by The Who, on "Who's Next"

i didn't get into AIC until much much later (read : just recently) but yeah, i can hear similarities between their sound and "Arena Rock"
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i think UH meant to say AIC had the most "arena rock" sound of the grunge groups

Arena Rock is, I suppose, pioneered by The Who, on "Who's Next"

i didn't get into AIC until much much later (read : just recently) but yeah, i can hear similarities between their sound and "Arena Rock"
I wasn't actually dicing anybody here, but just stating what I define as arena rock and its links to Alice in Chains. As far as I'm concerned, if AIC are being classified as appealing to arena rock fans, then that label can be applied to a multitude of other rock band, in fact just about anybody. Only Pearl Jam had the trappings of an arena rock band. Just because AIC went in for dual vocal harmonizing it doesn't make them stadium rock.

Who's Next def had the songs for a stadium rock band.
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I suppose AIC had the "attitude" of an arena/stadium rock band, as opposed to Soundgarden, who were mostly dissing that scene
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I just simply don't see how this sounds similar to Foreigner, REO Speedwagon, Queen, Boston, Bon Jovi, or any stadium rock for that matter.

This refutation has gone on so long now, I don't remember what the original argument was anyway. Was it something along the lines of AIC being too commercial or something like that?

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I just simply don't see how this sounds similar to Boston.

I know, Boston were far superior.
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I'm not saying they sound like Boston

Alternative rock is nothing more than the stadium rock of the 90s.
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Well nobody has refuted any of my original claims yet, just moaned about various definition of genres or whatever.
So I'll take that to mean I was correct.
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