Why I hate Metallica (members, guitarist, microphone, solo, quote)

Mojo · 12-19-2008, 02:52 PM

Ill hold my hands up and admit that while I usually like to READ a thread before I contribute I simply cannot be bothered with this one. I know what it contains, the same old **** I've heard for years as has everyone else. I will make a few comments:

1) Jason Newstead contributed very, very little to Metallica. No big loss and Rob will do just fine.

2) "Kirk Hammett isn't a vg guitarist either" - Im no Hammet fanboy but surely you mean hes an over-rated guitarist? The 8 year old kid a few doors down from me is not a very good guitarist. Dimebag Darrell bored the living **** out of me but im not going to say that he wasnt "good".

3) Couldnt this have just gone in the Metallica thread? Or even the Metallica vs Megadeth thread that are populated by people already discussing Metallica?

4) "how can anyone listen to a band that stood at the forefront of the battle against napster?" - Because their music has absolutely nothing to do with their views on Napster. Should vegetarians boycott the music of meat eaters? The two things are acually just as relevant to me in reasons to either listen to or not listen to music. The vegetarian thing might actually sound more relevant to me as thats probably worth caring about more than a P2P.

5) "seeming that they're supposed to be an "alternative" band i was completely shocked by their actions." - Why does the label 'alternative' make any difference? Are they even alternative?

6) "why did they do that when we know they're rolling in money" - How much money Metallica have also makes no difference. They spend years planning, writing and recording music just as every other artist does. If they want to give it away for free then Hallelujah, if not then ideally that should be their decision. It is THEIR music, it is THEIR work, they can do whatever the hell they want with it and ideally they shouldnt have to just accept that those kind of decisions can be made for them. The internet has changed everything, it has made piracy so much easier and so much harder to police but for artists it creates the problem that no matter how much work they put into a new record it will DEFINITELY be made available for free on the internet whether they want it to be or not. In an ideal world I'm sure the majority of artists would say that those decisions should be down to them. You dont EXPECT music to be free, do you? You should at least be able to understand that a band not wanting their music to be ILLEGALLY downloaded off the internet is perfectly understandable and even though I download, i dont want to sound all high and mighty about it, the recording industry is certainly losing money because of it. For someone who signs up to a music related board and therefore probably claims to LOVE music you are ready to write off a band who wont give you their music for free? Do you have a favourite band? If they went on record and said they were against downloading and didnt want their music to be ripped off would you buy it or turn against them?

**Janszoon** · 12-19-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

2) "Kirk Hammett isn't a vg guitarist either" - Im no Hammet fanboy but surely you mean hes an over-rated guitarist? The 8 year old kid a few doors down from me is not a very good guitarist. Dimebag Darrell bored the living **** out of me but im not going to say that he wasnt "good".

Yeah, I don't get all the hate for Kirk Hammett. Not only do I think he's a pretty good guitarist but he also seems like he's the nicest guy in the band. Plus he's apparently the person who convinced Les Claypool to pick up the bass, he deserves some kind of award for that.

Mojo · 12-19-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Yeah, I don't get all the hate for Kirk Hammett. Not only do I think he's a pretty good guitarist but he also seems like he's the nicest guy in the band. Plus he's apparently the person who convinced Les Claypool to pick up the bass, he deserves some kind of award for that.

Hes either the nicest in the band or the most boring. It depends what side of the fence you sit on. I liked how he was the one trying to get in the middle of Lars and James in the SKOM film and was all "peace and love" until Lars expressed his belief that the new album would have no guitar solo's because they were out-dated and un-necessary. That made me laugh.

**Janszoon** · 12-19-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

Hes either the nicest in the band or the most boring. It depends what side of the fence you sit on. I liked how he was the one trying to get in the middle of Lars and James in the SKOM film and was all "peace and love" until Lars expressed his belief that the new album would have no guitar solo's because they were out-dated and un-necessary. That made me laugh.

Heh. I still haven't seen that movie. I may have to watch it now.

Mojo · 12-19-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Heh. I still haven't seen that movie. I may have to watch it now.

Boring if you arent a Metalica fan. Quite interesting if you are. As i mentioned in another thread it shows Metallica being complete and utter pricks to one another, doesnt portray them in a good light at all, is a little depressing to watch at times but I have a lot of respect for them releasing it due to all of those reasons. Personally after watching it I would have expected them to have blocked its release or at least instructed the film makers to edit it to show them in a more flattering light rather than leaving everything in.

jackhammer · 12-19-2008, 03:46 PM

The doc is definitely worth a watch but it does'nt warrant multiple viewings and Hammett does come across as TOO nice at times.

adidasss · 12-19-2008, 03:47 PM

Oh boy, I hate to be dragged into this conversation again after almost 4 years, so I'll just add this:

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Do you have a favourite band? If they went on record and said they were against downloading and didnt want their music to be ripped off would you buy it or turn against them?[

No, of course I wouldn't turn against them (I probably still wouldn't buy it because I just can't afford it). I agree that statement was stupid. But, most of the bands I listen to are on small labels and aren't millionaires. I would understand if they minded their music being downloaded for free, because their livelihood literally depends on it. Metallica's did not, which is why I felt they shouldn't have been so vocal about it.

gimo300 · 12-20-2008, 10:00 AM

Well first of all you ripped that speech of South Park, and second every band was against the ****ing napster, that's not an excuse. The reason they ask for money is because their musicians and that's what musicians do, the play for money ****ing idiot. Second I've read about metallica's biography and they got every reason to be an ******* or a sensitive jackass, one of their band members died has well in an accident. The music by metallica is legend, they have skill like no other band I don't care if they wet their bed in real life I listen to the music not their real life winning. You you stay listening to Britney and I'll stay with metallica.

Oh I forgot, tell me another guitarist that can play like Kirk Hammett

MetalChaos · 12-20-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by gimo300

Oh I forgot, tell me another guitarist that can play like Kirk Hammett

I'll name plenty that are better:

Tony Iommi
Jason Becker
Ritchie Blackmore
Eddie Van Halen
Alex Skolnick
Yngwie Malmsteen
Steve Vai
Paul Gilbert
Alex Lifeson
Gary Moore
Marty Friedman
Adrian Smith
Randy Rhoads
Micheal Schneker
Chuck Schuildner

Kirk is only top 25-30 greatest in metal

lucifer_sam · 12-20-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MetalChaos

I'll name plenty that are better:

Tony Iommi
Jason Becker
Ritchie Blackmore
Eddie Van Halen
Alex Skolnick
Yngwie Malmsteen
Steve Vai
Paul Gilbert
Alex Lifeson
Gary Moore
Marty Friedman
Adrian Smith
Randy Rhoads
Micheal Schneker
Chuck Schuildner

Kirk is only top 25-30 greatest in metal

Guitarists in famous metal band don't make great guitarists. Iommi and Blackmore were at the forefront of metal but their work is built around simple riffs and linear soloing. They were never (at least in a traditional sense) "good" guitarists. Songwriters - absolutely.

I do agree with you about Kirk. He is consistently overrated, but mostly by people who haven't listened to enough metal to fill a teacup.

12-19-2008, 03:46 PM	#156 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	The doc is definitely worth a watch but it does'nt warrant multiple viewings and Hammett does come across as TOO nice at times. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

12-20-2008, 10:00 AM	#158 (permalink)
gimo300 Groupie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Over There Posts: 9	Well first of all you ripped that speech of South Park, and second every band was against the **ing napster, that's not an excuse. The reason they ask for money is because their musicians and that's what musicians do, the play for money ing idiot. Second I've read about metallica's biography and they got every reason to be an ***** or a sensitive jackass, one of their band members died has well in an accident. The music by metallica is legend, they have skill like no other band I don't care if they wet their bed in real life I listen to the music not their real life winning. You you stay listening to Britney and I'll stay with metallica. Oh I forgot, tell me another guitarist that can play like Kirk Hammett __________________ GIMO

12-19-2008, 02:52 PM	#151 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	Ill hold my hands up and admit that while I usually like to READ a thread before I contribute I simply cannot be bothered with this one. I know what it contains, the same old ** I've heard for years as has everyone else. I will make a few comments: 1) Jason Newstead contributed very, very little to Metallica. No big loss and Rob will do just fine. 2) "Kirk Hammett isn't a vg guitarist either" - Im no Hammet fanboy but surely you mean hes an over-rated guitarist? The 8 year old kid a few doors down from me is not a very good guitarist. Dimebag Darrell bored the living ** out of me but im not going to say that he wasnt "good". 3) Couldnt this have just gone in the Metallica thread? Or even the Metallica vs Megadeth thread that are populated by people already discussing Metallica? 4) "how can anyone listen to a band that stood at the forefront of the battle against napster?" - Because their music has absolutely nothing to do with their views on Napster. Should vegetarians boycott the music of meat eaters? The two things are acually just as relevant to me in reasons to either listen to or not listen to music. The vegetarian thing might actually sound more relevant to me as thats probably worth caring about more than a P2P. 5) "seeming that they're supposed to be an "alternative" band i was completely shocked by their actions." - Why does the label 'alternative' make any difference? Are they even alternative? 6) "why did they do that when we know they're rolling in money" - How much money Metallica have also makes no difference. They spend years planning, writing and recording music just as every other artist does. If they want to give it away for free then Hallelujah, if not then ideally that should be their decision. It is THEIR music, it is THEIR work, they can do whatever the hell they want with it and ideally they shouldnt have to just accept that those kind of decisions can be made for them. The internet has changed everything, it has made piracy so much easier and so much harder to police but for artists it creates the problem that no matter how much work they put into a new record it will DEFINITELY be made available for free on the internet whether they want it to be or not. In an ideal world I'm sure the majority of artists would say that those decisions should be down to them. You dont EXPECT music to be free, do you? You should at least be able to understand that a band not wanting their music to be ILLEGALLY downloaded off the internet is perfectly understandable and even though I download, i dont want to sound all high and mighty about it, the recording industry is certainly losing money because of it. For someone who signs up to a music related board and therefore probably claims to LOVE music you are ready to write off a band who wont give you their music for free? Do you have a favourite band? If they went on record and said they were against downloading and didnt want their music to be ripped off would you buy it or turn against them?