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Old 07-28-2012, 06:39 PM   #891 (permalink)
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I like metal for its aggression and gloom, but because I feel aggression and gloom about particular issues,
I'm guessing you've never listened to power metal then.
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Old 07-28-2012, 07:06 PM   #892 (permalink)
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I'm guessing you've never listened to power metal then.
I prefer doom/death to power metal. Upbeat frenzy doesn't do it for me, usually. I like slower, sludgier, more depressing songs...but not lethargic.

As an aside, the problem I have with doom/death songs is that the ones I've heard often seem to counter what I view as the fantasy of religion with the fantasy of anti-religion. The religious subject matter (devil stuff, power struggles between "good" and "evil" etc.) doesn't interest me, because I don't relate to pretend horror. I love the low, heavy chords, though.

Here's an example of a metal song I don't like, and I'm assuming it is power metal:

Pantera - "Power Metal"


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If a chicken was smart enough to be able to speak English and run in a geometric pattern, then I think it should be smart enough to dial 911 (999) before getting the axe, and scream to the operator, "Something must be done! Something must be done!"
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Old 07-28-2012, 07:24 PM   #893 (permalink)
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I prefer doom/death to power metal. Upbeat frenzy doesn't do it for me, usually. I like slower, sludgier, more depressing songs...but not lethargic.

As an aside, the problem I have with doom/death songs is that the ones I've heard often seem to counter what I view as the fantasy of religion with the fantasy of anti-religion. The religious subject matter (devil stuff, power struggles between "good" and "evil" etc.) doesn't interest me, because I don't relate to pretend horror. I love the low, heavy chords, though.


Kinda funny, unless the song is about demons raping jesus, or some horror movie bull****. I couldn't really give a fuck about the lyrics.
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Old 07-28-2012, 07:25 PM   #894 (permalink)
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Thanks for your replies. Janszoon, I didn't think jazz *had* a message! Metal music at least seems to be saying *something*.
That's what I'm saying. Neither genre has any kind of overarching message.


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I prefer doom/death to power metal. Upbeat frenzy doesn't do it for me, usually. I like slower, sludgier, more depressing songs...but not lethargic.

As an aside, the problem I have with doom/death songs is that the ones I've heard often seem to counter what I view as the fantasy of religion with the fantasy of anti-religion. The religious subject matter (devil stuff, power struggles between "good" and "evil" etc.) doesn't interest me, because I don't relate to pretend horror. I love the low, heavy chords, though.
Eh. A lot of doom, especially stoner doom, is pretty tongue-in-cheek if you ask me, even when it has ostensibly "Satanic" lyrics. Plus there's a decent chunk that's instrumental so there's plenty out there that you'd probably dig, like Omega Massif, for example:

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Old 07-28-2012, 07:53 PM   #895 (permalink)
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I can understand liking metal for its raw power. I like metal for its aggression and gloom, but because I feel aggression and gloom about particular issues, I gravitate toward songs that offer realistic reasons for these emotions.
I like it when bands refuse to get explicitly topical; the use of allegories allows bands to not only have a wider audience, but allows the same song to be personally fitting over a wide variety of circumstances.

Take this song by archgoat, "The Light-Devouring Darkness".

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Of Christ's false holiness
Those weak of the soul
Earth you shall eat
The light devouring darkness
the great fallen spirits
Gratification of their lust
The virgin shall conceive
Him who denies Jesus Christ
Hail the great triumphant one
In his own name he comes
Burning down the seven churches
All the world worship the beast
Conquest, slaughter, dearth and death
The lamb, the woman and her seed
Cast in the pool of eternal flames
She spiritual darkness now shall reign
I like it.... it's treading a familiar metal theme, the defamed individual, free from the shackles of christian moralism, conquering the throne. It's triumphant, antagonistic, & snide. Wonderful.

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Old 07-29-2012, 04:17 AM   #896 (permalink)
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Hmmmmm.... new thrash metal



Not sure if I like it or not yet

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Hmmmmm.... new thrash metal



Not sure if I like it or not yet
Meh. You should listen to this instead...

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Kinda funny, unless the song is about demons raping jesus, or some horror movie bull****. I couldn't really give a fuck about the lyrics.
I thought a lot of the death metal songs *were* about demons raping jesus.

I prefer music that gives me not just a mood, but also something conceptual to chew on, so lyrics can help with that (or detract, if I think they are stupid or overly melodramatic).

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That's what I'm saying. Neither genre has any kind of overarching message.

Eh. A lot of doom, especially stoner doom, is pretty tongue-in-cheek if you ask me, even when it has ostensibly "Satanic" lyrics. Plus there's a decent chunk that's instrumental so there's plenty out there that you'd probably dig, like Omega Massif, for example:
I like the sound of Omega Massif, but I keep waiting for them to *tell* me something. I'd prefer a guttural, nonsensical scream to no vocals at all.

I tend to get restless listening to purely instrumental music, with some exceptions...usually short songs or classical music that is so exquisitely constructed that I sense the composer's strong intentions even without words.

I still think metal music has a tendency to dwell on certain topics (one of which hip hop mentions below), whereas I don't associate jazz with any topic. However, I have successfully avoided jazz and the jazz subforum for three years now, so I am probably not being fair in condemning jazz as vacuous based only on my foggy memories that I've tried to erase!

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I like it when bands refuse to get explicitly topical; the use of allegories allows bands to not only have a wider audience, but allows the same song to be personally fitting over a wide variety of circumstances.

Take this song by archgoat, "The Light-Devouring Darkness".

I like it.... it's treading a familiar metal theme, the defamed individual, free from the shackles of christian moralism, conquering the throne. It's triumphant, antagonistic, & snide. Wonderful.
You make a good point about the use of allegories, hip hop. I also like your description of the familiar metal theme. I understand what you mean about it being triumphant, antagonistic, and snide, which are qualities that draw me to metal music.

I like your description much more than I like archgoat's song, though!

I find "The Light-Devouring Darkness" to be too repetitive musically, although it is played very well. The killer for me is that the singer's low, nearly unintelligible growling starts to amuse me so that I get distracted from the music.

But I understand what you mean about the allegory of "the defamed individual, free from the shackles of christian moralism, conquering the throne." Thinking of the lyrics as allegorical rather than literal may help me appreciate such songs more.

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I'm now listening to...

At The Gates -- "Blinded by Fear"

I like this song quite a bit.

I love its chaotic beginning that sounds as if something is being shattered (reminding me of my favorite dubstep songs). I love the low melodic guitar playing underlying much of the piece, and its intensity. I also like the vocalist's screaming, which sounds chilling and angst-filled to me, almost like real screaming, even though I feel he repeats "fears" a few too many times.


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If a chicken was smart enough to be able to speak English and run in a geometric pattern, then I think it should be smart enough to dial 911 (999) before getting the axe, and scream to the operator, "Something must be done! Something must be done!"
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God, I never really bothered to look up Carnivore's lyrics. They are some gloriously politically incorrect tongue-in-cheek dog****.



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GREETINGS AND FELICITATIONS CHILDREN OF TECHNOLOGY!!
Drool dripping out my tongue
hanging south saliva flowing free
my eyes full of lust my balls
gonna bust give yourself to me
thirst I can't quench c'mere you wench
there's something that I need

Carnivore
I'm a meat eater
Carnivore
I'd like to meet ya
Carnivore
I know I'll reach ya

The hunger I feel makes you a meal
oh girl you sure taste sweet
by my hair pull me there guide me to your treat
spread your legs I'll seed your eggs oh, feel me deep

Lick me she begged she pulled
down my head I love to eat pussy
a taste so fine like sweet april wine
I won't trade for any money
did you cum I eat and run I live for sodomy
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