I seem to remember that being a lame album so I guess I qualify.

Most of the criticism aimed at Mudvayne generally boils down to "they're cheesy/their presentation is cringy and lame" but these same people will say Slipknot is great which is hilariously hypocritical. Creatively and talented wise they were on-par with and much of the time rungs above even Deftones, the internet hipster's favorite nu-metal band.

And seriously, Martinie is one of metal's best bassist. Even RYM troglodytes know that.

Both L.D. 50 and The End of All Things to Come are two of the best metal albums of the 2000's. Seriously, it has the lyric of "Down to the river of kool-aid". How can you not love it?

All three are terrible.

Have you heard Slipknot's disowned debut?


I don't like Slipknot either, but MFKR's good s**t.

Anyway, now I'm listening to The End of All Things to Come:
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EDIT: Now I'm wondering why I forgot to put this on my top 40 album list. It had been way too long since I've listened to this masterpiece.

Ah, I see. Although I'm fighting a losing battle I am still somewhat curious as to why you think that.

Slipknot are lame as ****, I don't really have much of an opinion on Mudvayne beyond not really caring for them, and the only thing more lame than Deftones awful rap rock debut are their tedious attempts at branching out. The only thing I listen to that's even close to nu metal is early Incubus.

And on that note.

:drummer:

^Yet another favorite album of mine that I could have thrown on my top 40. "Glass" has one of the greatest basslines ever.

How about this for some awesome nu metal:

I should have added it to mine but I forgot about it.