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Old 11-01-2017, 11:41 PM   #5361 (permalink)
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Old 11-02-2017, 04:27 AM   #5362 (permalink)
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It was kind of a long and winding conversation that didn't even mention Gorguts until a few pages near the end, but the upshot is that a completely unrelated discussion about VU&N turned into me trolling elphenor into listening to Obscura. I think I might have won too but we'll see.
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Old 11-02-2017, 12:14 PM   #5363 (permalink)
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They went the Gothic Metal route for a while, then back to their Thrash roots.

Sodom also kick so much ass

I'll never understand the appeal of Sodom. Just another band that would be 1/4 as popular if Dark Angel had gotten more exposure.

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Old 11-02-2017, 12:25 PM   #5364 (permalink)
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I'll never understand the appeal of Sodom. Just another band that would be 1/4 as popular if Dark Angel had gotten more exposure.

Different regions though, Germany and USA were probably not that knowing of each other outside certain circles and tape trading, so I bet popularity would be not that different at the time.

I like both. Dark Angel are kind of just another California thrash band, just with one of the best drummers filling in their sound.
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Old 11-02-2017, 01:23 PM   #5365 (permalink)
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You're giving that album less credit than it deserves. DD is basically Pleasure To Kill + Reign In Blood. It's a thrash album, but the riffs have those slight chromatic tendencies that are definitely influenced by early death metal band. That album also has one of the darkest, thickest atmospheres in metal that stood unchallenged until Altars of Madness.

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I think I am giving it as much as it deserves, it is a great album. It is still really held together by Gene Hoglan, who is an amazing drummer. It has great energy and feel, but can still listen to it and hear where it came from as well.
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No, you're still not giving the band enough credit. That album has a sound like being run over by a freight train, and the only other album I know of that has that aggressive chugging sound is Pleasure to Kill, which came out two weeks before it. It's not like they copied it.
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****. This IS really intense. I've gone from being indifferent about Kreator to liking their first five albums outright.

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No, you're still not giving the band enough credit. That album has a sound like being run over by a freight train, and the only other album I know of that has that aggressive chugging sound is Pleasure to Kill, which came out two weeks before it. It's not like they copied it.
Of course they didn't, chances are they didnt even really know them that well at the time, and would have heard it later anyway.

I give them plenty credit, it is a great album. I think the vocals are what I mean by California sound. As far as albums from 1986 goes, it is one of the best too.
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