What Are You listening To V.III Metal!

The Batlord · 02-25-2014, 01:18 PM

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Yeah, they do a lot of basic strumming riffs a la punk, I talked about this, I call it the "wall of sound" effect. More modern black metal bands tend to have the wall of sound with picking produced in for a more "metal" effect, but even 2nd wave black metal bands like Emperor and Mayhem was using those basic punk style riffs. To me, that's part of the production, though. You have to decide to produce it in a way that incorporates picking, using more intricate/technical progressions, and more melodic sounds, which black metal did not back then, and rarely does now. Slayer has this sound on their early albums, especially with the riffing. They were more technical in some ways, but their sound was still very "punk".

I guess the biggest difference between First and Second Wave black metal is that the Norwegian scene was an actual scene, unlike the early bands which were just as likely to be associated with thrash metal (Sodom) or existed completely by themselves (Bathory). The Norwegian bands sort of had a mission statement due to being influenced by a few guys who had this extreme view of what metal should and shouldn't be, and since the scene was so small and so insular it kind of all built upon itself and went further and further until all influences from thrash metal and modern death metal sort of got purged until their was this purity that never existed with the earlier bands.

Listen to Sarcofago's INRI album and Mayhem's De Mysteriis and you'll hear just how similar they are, and yet INRI is just as much a thrash album as it is a black metal album, whereas by the time Mayhem recorded their album they'd gotten rid of a lot of those "extraneous" influences and focused almost entirely on the Hellhammer and Bathory spectrum of metal. I'm not entirely sure what all that has to do with your post, but that's my sermon.

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Even the grindcore stuff towards the end of the 80s like Napalm Death and Repulsion has similar characteristics to black metal/death metal/thrash metal. With that said, I can predict what a band is going to be labeled as upon first listen with a pretty decent success rate, even if the differences are subtle.

Totally. While they are obviously different in a lot of ways, just like Obituary is obviously different than Hellhammer, when I go on a binge for that kind of thing I usually end up flitting from one of those eighties extreme metal genres to the other without much thought.

Anteater · 02-26-2014, 12:35 PM

You can't be a heavy metal fan and not adore the 'Ryche. Especially with Todd La Torre at the mic now.

Forward To Death · 02-27-2014, 02:08 AM

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I guess the biggest difference between First and Second Wave black metal is that the Norwegian scene was an actual scene, unlike the early bands which were just as likely to be associated with thrash metal (Sodom) or existed completely by themselves (Bathory). The Norwegian bands sort of had a mission statement due to being influenced by a few guys who had this extreme view of what metal should and shouldn't be, and since the scene was so small and so insular it kind of all built upon itself and went further and further until all influences from thrash metal and modern death metal sort of got purged until their was this purity that never existed with the earlier bands.

Listen to Sarcofago's INRI album and Mayhem's De Mysteriis and you'll hear just how similar they are, and yet INRI is just as much a thrash album as it is a black metal album, whereas by the time Mayhem recorded their album they'd gotten rid of a lot of those "extraneous" influences and focused almost entirely on the Hellhammer and Bathory spectrum of metal. I'm not entirely sure what all that has to do with your post, but that's my sermon.

Totally. While they are obviously different in a lot of ways, just like Obituary is obviously different than Hellhammer, when I go on a binge for that kind of thing I usually end up flitting from one of those eighties extreme metal genres to the other without much thought.

Yeah, all metal is kind of built from the same thing. It's technical, loud, and fast, so it really doesn't change to the degree that all of the bands are entirely different from one another, just like any other major genre. That's why whenever someone says that metal all sounds the same, I always ask them (rhetorically, of course) if they'd ever heard a genre where the bands/artists don't sound kind of the same. They usually go to great lengths to highlight the differences of the bands they like in a given genre, not realizing you could make the same arguments for metal bands, and totally missing the point, and at the same time making the point for me.

Anyways, the more melodic varieties of metal tend to sound like NWOBHM, and the more extreme varieties tend to sound more like thrash/hardcore, that's my overall black and white take on the whole metal deal.

~~infoshar~~ · 02-27-2014, 10:07 AM

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Mondo Bungle · 02-27-2014, 07:45 PM

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The Batlord · 03-01-2014, 10:56 AM

J-Pop? Power metal? Dafuq did I just watch?

BastardofYoung · 03-01-2014, 11:52 AM

I dig this album. More early Black Metal/Death Metal out of Brazil. Kinda lo-fi sounding and sloppy, better than "Bestial Devastation" to me.

Forward To Death · 03-01-2014, 01:14 PM

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J-Pop? Power metal? Dafuq did I just watch?

Would almost be kind of cool if not for the cheesy kid vocals and synth.

Rjinn · 03-02-2014, 03:43 AM

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J-Pop? Power metal? Dafuq did I just watch?

I think "Baby Metal" suits it perfectly.

Engine · 03-02-2014, 11:25 PM

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