BastardofYoung

Naw. I have not been around for some time though. Just been lazy. I am going to try and be around more when I can be. I have not forgotten all the people.

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last.fm

‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

The Batlord

Well then I'd love to get your opinion on a thread I had a little while back.


http://www.musicbanter.com/rock-meta...hould-too.html

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MetalTeK

Sepultura is NOT Black Metal dude!

Mercyful Fate is the best early Black Metal.

The Batlord

If Sodom's first album is black metal then so is Morbid Visions. Back then distinguishing between thrash metal, black metal, and early death metal was kind of arbitrary. To me early black metal (i.e. not Norwegian black metal) is like thrash's ugly cousin. They were the bands that played uglier, noisier, and sloppier than Metallica and Anthrax and their ilk and had a clear link to Venom. Bathory, Hellhammer, NME, Sarcofago, and early Sepultura all fit that bill as far as I'm concerned.

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Forward To Death

Distinguishing between almost all extreme metal subgenres, even now, is very arbitrary. You can find death metal that's just as poorly produced as black metal, you can find thrash with the technicality of tech death metal, you can find atmospheric, ambient, and symphonic elements in most of the subgenres, too.

I always thought early Slayer, like on Hell Awaits even sounded like first generation black metal tbh. You're right though, black metal has always been noted for it's raw production style, and I would definitely say early Sepultura is closer to black metal than anything else.

The Batlord

It's not just the production. Old school black metal was closer to hardcore punk than a lot of thrash, usually cause the bands didn't play their instruments very well, and it gave them a simpler, noisier sound (such as Venom or Hellhammer OR early Sepultura).

And the reason death metal and black metal could be almost indistinguishable in the eighties was because they were coming from the same influences (such as Venom and Hellhammer). Even in the late eighties when death metal was more defined they still had traces of that sound. Look at Obituary and how obviously influenced by Celtic Frost they were.

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Isbjørn

Finally found it, at the library.

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DoesntReallyMatter

Bethlehem - Schuld Uns'res Knoch'rigen Faltpferd

Forward To Death

Yeah, they do a lot of basic strumming riffs a la punk, I talked about this, I call it the "wall of sound" effect. More modern black metal bands tend to have the wall of sound with picking produced in for a more "metal" effect, but even 2nd wave black metal bands like Emperor and Mayhem was using those basic punk style riffs. To me, that's part of the production, though. You have to decide to produce it in a way that incorporates picking, using more intricate/technical progressions, and more melodic sounds, which black metal did not back then, and rarely does now. Slayer has this sound on their early albums, especially with the riffing. They were more technical in some ways, but their sound was still very "punk".

Even the grindcore stuff towards the end of the 80s like Napalm Death and Repulsion has similar characteristics to black metal/death metal/thrash metal. With that said, I can predict what a band is going to be labeled as upon first listen with a pretty decent success rate, even if the differences are subtle.

bitchyvero

Listening right now Mitchelmonster (search in youtube) and then Mitchel Emms cover of Would ? (song cover)