Metal Wars!!!!!!!!!!!

LoathsomePete · 07-31-2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Strapping Young Lad wins it easily for me. They're quirky and fun while Fear Factory is just dull. I feel like I need to point that neither have much of anything to do with industrial though.

City: 1
Demanufacture: 0

I'd say they're industrial but not in the same sense as say Ministry or KMFDM which are more dance orientated. They're more industrial in the way that Killing Joke were industrial in the '90's with that monotonous driving rhythm coupled with use of samples and some electronic elements. SYL is far more reminiscent of thrash metal, or at least the logical progression of thrash metal in the '90's. However to each their own, playing the genre label game will always produce varied results from person to person, and to be honest SYL and Fear Factory have always been labeled as industrial so I'm just kind of going with the herd.

Anyways for me it's SYL as well. As it's pretty obvious I'm a big Devin Townsend fanboy, both his solo material and SYL (as well as some of his projects). City is not a perfect album, but it came into my life at the perfect time and really did help me channel my frustration and aggression that came with puberty and high school.

Strapping Young Lad - 2
Fear Factory - 0

**Janszoon** · 07-31-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete

I'd say they're industrial but not in the same sense as say Ministry or KMFDM which are more dance orientated. They're more industrial in the way that Killing Joke were industrial in the '90's with that monotonous driving rhythm coupled with use of samples and some electronic elements. SYL is far more reminiscent of thrash metal, or at least the logical progression of thrash metal in the '90's. However to each their own, playing the genre label game will always produce varied results from person to person, and to be honest SYL and Fear Factory have always been labeled as industrial so I'm just kind of going with the herd.

The thing is that none of the bands that you just named, as much as I love all three of them, are actually industrial music. Like I mentioned previously, industrial is one of those genre labels that seems to have lost all meaning over time. Actual industrial music sounds like this:

Which is why I say neither Strapping Young Lad nor Fear Factory have much of a connection to it at all.

hip hop bunny hop · 07-31-2011, 01:46 PM

Fear Factory; Strapping Young Lad's songs are too simplistic, and the production is godawful. I don't know what techniques he used to make it sound "heavier", but it ended up making the songs sound hollow. The production, truly, is so horrible that it overshadows whatever is good on that album.

Strapping Young Lad - 2
Fear Factory - 1

Unknown Soldier · 07-31-2011, 02:56 PM

I listened to the Strapping Young Lad album earlier and pretty much agree with what Hip Hop has said above about it. The Strapping Young Lad album joins a long list of Devin Townsend material that has yet to appeal to me.

Strapping Young Lad 2
Fear Factory 2

LOLPOCALYPSE · 07-31-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

The thing is that none of the bands that you just named, as much as I love all three of them, are actually industrial music. Like I mentioned previously, industrial is one of those genre labels that seems to have lost all meaning over time. Actual industrial music sounds like this:

Which is why I say neither Strapping Young Lad nor Fear Factory have much of a connection to it at all.

Of course they don't have a connection. You are comparing two different genres. Industrial metal derives from industrial music, essentially being one of the many forms of post-industrial. And the industrial element in industrial metal is definitely there. If you played this Throbbing Gristle track in the background of some repetitive riffs you would have an industrial metal song. Fear Factory is definitely industrial metal, especially when considering the themes of their music. They have groove and death elements, but they are definitely industrial metal. Strapping Young Lad has even more of a mix of elements, but I would say they have enough of an industrial element to be in this "war" with FF.

Unknown Soldier · 07-31-2011, 03:15 PM

Thats all very good and well and I agree with you, now be a good chap and place your vote

**Janszoon** · 07-31-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LOLPOCALYPSE

Of course they don't have a connection. You are comparing two different genres. Industrial metal derives from industrial music, essentially being one of the many forms of post-industrial. And the industrial element in industrial metal is definitely there. If you played this Throbbing Gristle track in the background of some repetitive riffs you would have an industrial metal song. Fear Factory is definitely industrial metal, especially when considering the themes of their music. They have groove and death elements, but they are definitely industrial metal. Strapping Young Lad has even more of a mix of elements, but I would say they have enough of an industrial element to be in this "war" with FF.

I have to say this paragraph doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

LOLPOCALYPSE · 07-31-2011, 08:11 PM

You were saying those two bands weren't industrial music. Nobody said they were "industrial music". They said they were "industrial metal". Those are two different genres. Of course they are not the same. Fear Factory does not sound like "actual industrial music" (Throbbing Gristle) because it is industrial metal. Not industrial music. But you can see how industrial metal is clearly a derivative form of industrial music.

So, again:

Industrial music ≠ Industrial metal

Industrial music -> Industrial metal

Better?

**Janszoon** · 07-31-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LOLPOCALYPSE

You were saying those two bands weren't industrial music. Nobody said they were "industrial music".

Er... I never claimed anyone said that.

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Originally Posted by LOLPOCALYPSE

They said they were "industrial metal". Those are two different genres. Of course they are not the same. Fear Factory does not sound like "actual industrial music" (Throbbing Gristle) because it is industrial metal. Not industrial music. But you can see how industrial metal is clearly a derivative form of industrial music.

My whole point was that it isn't a derivative form of industrial music and thus the "industrial" half of the name "industrial metal" is a misnomer.

Metal Connoisseur · 07-31-2011, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

My whole point was that it isn't a derivative form of industrial music and thus the "industrial" half of the name "industrial metal" is a misnomer.

What would you quantify as being "post-industrial" or influenced by industrial bands like Throbbing Gristle?

07-31-2011, 01:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
hip hop bunny hop Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,381	Fear Factory; Strapping Young Lad's songs are too simplistic, and the production is godawful. I don't know what techniques he used to make it sound "heavier", but it ended up making the songs sound hollow. The production, truly, is so horrible that it overshadows whatever is good on that album. Strapping Young Lad - 2 Fear Factory - 1 __________________ Have mercy on the poor.

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Unknown Soldier Horribly Creative Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London, The Big Smoke Posts: 8,265	Thats all very good and well and I agree with you, now be a good chap and place your vote Last edited by Unknown Soldier; 07-31-2011 at 04:35 PM.

07-31-2011, 02:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
Unknown Soldier Horribly Creative Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London, The Big Smoke Posts: 8,265	I listened to the Strapping Young Lad album earlier and pretty much agree with what Hip Hop has said above about it. The Strapping Young Lad album joins a long list of Devin Townsend material that has yet to appeal to me. Strapping Young Lad 2 Fear Factory 2

07-31-2011, 08:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
LOLPOCALYPSE Aryan Wonder Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 445	You were saying those two bands weren't industrial music. Nobody said they were "industrial music". They said they were "industrial metal". Those are two different genres. Of course they are not the same. Fear Factory does not sound like "actual industrial music" (Throbbing Gristle) because it is industrial metal. Not industrial music. But you can see how industrial metal is clearly a derivative form of industrial music. So, again: Industrial music ≠ Industrial metal Industrial music -> Industrial metal Better?