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Old 02-20-2012, 10:21 AM   #1001 (permalink)
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Old 02-20-2012, 11:26 AM   #1002 (permalink)
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I mailed you a link.
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Old 02-20-2012, 11:34 AM   #1003 (permalink)
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Well I listened to Naked City and am in the process of listening to In This Life. I'm going to have to go with what Unknown Soldier said. Naked City is interesting and all, but is NOT metal. Mostly jazz fusion type stuff, with grindcore/jazz freakouts put intermittently throughout. Mordred, however, is. And though I wouldn't say I am loving the Mordred album, it's certainly listenable, if not enjoyable. Point goes to Mordred.

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Old 02-20-2012, 11:49 AM   #1004 (permalink)
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:27 AM   #1005 (permalink)
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With no more votes likely to come in, Naked City win the first face-off 5:2, next up is the challenger from Boston Maudlin of the Well, who are decribed as being an avant-garde metal band.

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Maudlin Of The Well - On the opposite end to Naked City's almost scatological approach to music and Jazz elements, Maudlin are much more atmospheric in their use of different genres but no less potent. Utilising Death Metal and almost Ambient Jazz in one single track without the song losing structure and appeal is no mean feat.

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Old 02-22-2012, 08:51 AM   #1006 (permalink)
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This one is going to be hard. I need to sleep on it.
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Old 02-22-2012, 08:51 AM   #1007 (permalink)
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Goddammit I love both these bands.

Naked City - 1
Maudlin of the well - 0

It comes down to chaos vs atmosphere for me, and I choose chaos. I also just can't vote against John Zorn. MotW still rules, but I'm voting in an erratic mood. If I wasn't, I'd vote them, that album flows so well.
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Old 02-22-2012, 02:06 PM   #1008 (permalink)
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Yeah I'm not as chubby on Converge as most, don't get me wrong, they're alright but I don't think they're god's gift to hardcore metal. If not from hardcore, where does grindcore (in its purest form--not deathgrind, pornogrind, etc.) draw it's influence from?
The liner notes in Horrified state that Repulsion's influences were, most regularly, Celtic Frost, Slayer, & Discharge.

Early Napalm Death is a bit more difficult to nail down, what with the constantly shifting members, but in an interview I read with (then quite, quite young) Justin Broadrick he mentioned Throbbing Gristle as an influence, which isn't too surprising considering where that led. However, this shouldn't be discounted as an aberration, considering that Mick Harris also seems to have had similar interests and influences.

There's also a bit of death metal influence in the early bands that became more evident as time went on, and it's a bit hard to delineate considering the confluence of Repulsion/Death (which were the same band at one point), as well as that of Terrorizer/Morbid Angel, Terrorizer/Napalm Death, etc.

So, yeah, there's a hardcore influence, but it's hardcore sans scary quotes. It's the hardcore of Negative Approach, Discharge, etc.. Not the "hardcore" of Converge, Fall of Troy, and that kind.

Really, what mystifies me is why what appears to be two very distinct genres are both labelled hardcore.
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This is a tough one, need to revisit that maudlin of the well album.
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Old 02-22-2012, 02:18 PM   #1010 (permalink)
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Really, what mystifies me is why what appears to be two very distinct genres are both labelled hardcore.
Cause calling it metalcore isn't cool anymore?

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