Extremism Before 1992, Community Participation Requested

hip hop bunny hop · 07-15-2011, 12:20 PM

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**** man. We need more posts for these dm pioneers.

Mondo Bungle said this in thread on "Death", and I agree - however, I think limiting it to death metal is a bit strange, as the various subgenres had yet to branch out enough to where there were obvious & distinct differences.

Now, we can argue about whether these earlier bands and albums are still relevant or as good as current releases, but the fact is these groups tend to be forgotten. As metal websites tend to focus on reviewing new releases, and as most metal fans aren't as fortunate as Jackhammer to have been there when it happened, we tend to be myopic and focus on the recent past and the new. So, I think the community coming together and discussing these earlier groups would be helpful, and just a little bit of fun.

So, what I'd like to do is ask that people post their top 10 favorite "extreme" releases from up until 1992 (so, releases from 1992 are ok, but none later). They can be from any of the "extreme" genres, whether crossover, death metal, thrash, black metal, harcore, grindcore, whatever - if you think it qualifies as extreme, it can be put in your list.

The concept is simple; a week from today (July 22nd), I'll tally up the lists. Lists are going to be weighted in a simplistic manner, a #1 is worth "10 points", a #"10" worth 1 point, and so on. The ten albums that get the most points will be put together in a sort of super list, to serve future newbs and genre explorers on this site.

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So, the last chance to participate has already come and gone. But, if you're curious about the results, I've put them in this post for ease of browsing. The rest of the thread is neat, too, what with people carrying on the great metal tradition of **** talking others lists.

Results

1. Slayer (Reign in Blood, then Hell Awaits)
2. Celtic Frost (To Megatherion, then Into the Pandemonium, & lastly Morbid Tales)
3. Sepultura (Arise, then Beneath the Remains)
4. Bathory (Blood Fire Death, then S/T, & lastly Under the Sign of the Black Mark)
5. Morbid Angel (Covenant, which is '93, but then Altars of Madness)
6. Carcass (Symphonies of Sickness)
7. Godflesh (Streetcleaner)
8. Mercyful Fate (Melissa)
9. Napalm Death (Scum)
TIE FOR 10:
Discharge - Hear Nothing....
Repulsion - Horrified
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I did compile this after getting back from the bar, but I'm confident in my math. Here's the lists everyone submitted:

1. Master of Puppets- Metallica
2. To Mega Therion- Celtic Frost
3. Reign in Blood- Slayer
4. Covenant- Morbid Angel (93' I know, I feel its their best album. Whether or not you count it is up to you)
5. Arise - Sepultura
6. Cowboys From Hell- Pantera
7. The Age of Quarrel- Cro-Mags
8. Obedience Thru Suffering- Crowbar
9. Unquestionable Presence- Atheist
10. Transylvanian Hunger- Darkthrone

1. Repulsion - Horrified
2. Discharge - Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing
3. Mercyful Fate - Melissa
4. Slayer - Reign in Blood
5. Godflesh - Streetcleaner
6. Deicide - Legion
7. Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion
8. Cryptic Slaughter - Convicted
9. Master - Master
10. Sarco***o - INRI

Morbid Angel - Covenant
Bathory - Under the Sign of the Black Mark
Sepultura - Beneath the Remain
Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky
Autopsy - Mental Funeral
Cryptopsy - Blasphemy Made Flesh
Immolation - Dawn of Possession
Massacra - Enjoy the Violence
Possessed - Seven Churches
Therion - Beyond Sanctorum

Death- Leprosy (4)
Morbid Angel- Covenant (3)
Celtic Frost- Morbid Tales (6)
Bathory- Blood Fire Death (8)
Sepultura- Arise (1)
Slayer- Reign in Blood (2)
Atheist- Unquestionable Presence (7)
Kreator- Coma of Souls (5)
Possessed- Seven Churches (10)
Obituary- Slowly We Rot (9)

1. Slayer - Reign In Blood
2. Slayer - Hell Awaits
3. Carcass - Necrotism: Descanting the Insalubrious
4. Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
5. Celtic Frost - Into the Pandemonium
6. Bathory - Bathory
7. Obituary - Cause of Death
8. Sepultura - Arise
9. Venom - Black Metal
10. Napalm Death - Utopia Banished

1. Autopsy - Mental Funeral (1991)
2. Convulse - World Without God (1991)
3. Carnage - Dark Recollections (1990)
4. Pestilence - Consuming Impulse (1989)
5. Aspyhx - The Rack (1991)
6. Massacra - Enjoy the Violence (1991)
7. Gorguts - Considered Dead (1991)
8. Malevolent Creation - The Ten Commandments (1991)
9. Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness (1989)
10. Deicide - Deicide (1990)

1. Slayer - Hell Awaits
2. Celtic frost - To Mega Therion
3. Sepultura - Beneath the Remains
4. Mercyful Fate - Melissa
5. Void - S/T
6. Autopsy - Severed Survival
7. Entombed - Wolverine Blues
8. Stormtroopers of Death - Speak English or Die
9. Kreator - Terrible Certainty
10. Suicidal Tendencies - S/T

1. PRO-PAIN - The Foul Taste Of Freedom
2. Ministry - The Mind Is A errible Thing To Taste'
3. Godflesh - Streetcleaner
4. Amebix - Arise!
5. Bathory - Blood Fire Death
6. Winter - Into Darkness
7. M.O.D. - USA For M.O.D.
8. Venom - Welcome To Hell
9. Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
10. Infest - Slave

1. Napalm Death - S.C.U.M.
2. Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness
3. Slayer - Reign in Blood
4. Sepultura - Arise
5. OLD - OLD
6. Terrorizer - World Downfall
7. Voivod - Dimension Hattross
8. Godflesh - Streetcleaner
9. Obituary - The End Complete
10. Intense Degree - Intense Degree

1. Celtic Frost - Into The Pandemonium
2. Infest - Slave
3. D.R.I - Crossover
4. Voivod - Killing Technology
5. Death - Scream Bloody Gore
6. Discharge - Hear Nothing...
7. Napalm Death - Scum
8. Repulsion - Horrified
9. Venom - Black Metal
10. Killing Joke - S.T debut.

Metal Connoisseur · 07-15-2011, 02:57 PM

This is a great idea! These community participation things are what forums should be about in my opinion. Here's mine:

1. Master of Puppets- Metallica
2. To Mega Therion- Celtic Frost
3. Reign in Blood- Slayer
4. Covenant- Morbid Angel
5. Arise- Sepultura
6. Cowboys From Hell- Pantera
7. The Age of Quarrel- Cro-Mags
8. Obedience Thru Suffering- Crowbar
9. Unquestionable Presence- Atheist
10. A Blaze in the Northern Sky- Darkthrone

hip hop bunny hop · 07-15-2011, 03:54 PM

1. Repulsion - Horrified
2. Discharge - Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing
3. Mercyful Fate - Melissa
4. Slayer - Reign in Blood
5. Godflesh - Streetcleaner
6. Deicide - Legion
7. Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion
8. Cryptic Slaughter - Convicted
9. Master - Master
10. Sarco***o - INRI

almauro · 07-15-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

1. Repulsion - Horrified
[/i]o - INRI

Repulsion...#1...I'm shocked, hahaha. I'm not that great with dates, but here goes.

Morbid Angel - Covenant
Bathory - Under the Sign of the Black Mark
Sepultura - Beneath the Remain
Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky
Autopsy - Mental Funeral
Cryptopsy - Blasphemy Made Flesh
Immolation - Dawn of Possession
Massacra - Enjoy the Violence
Possessed - Seven Churches
Therion - Beyond Sanctorum

Unknown Soldier · 07-15-2011, 07:14 PM

Great idea for a thread, maybe as an idea it could be just one artist as well, to stop people choosing 2 or 3 albums by the same band.

Death- Leprosy (4)
Morbid Angel- Covenant (3)
Celtic Frost- Morbid Tales (6)
Bathory- Blood Fire Death (8)
Sepultura- Arise (1)
Slayer- Reign in Blood (2)
Atheist- Unquestionable Presence (7)
Kreator- Coma of Souls (5)
Possessed- Seven Churches (10)
Obituary- Slowly We Rot (9)

hip hop bunny hop · 07-15-2011, 11:57 PM

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Repulsion...#1...I'm shocked, hahaha.

I know, right?

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maybe as an idea it could be just one artist as well, to stop people choosing 2 or 3 albums by the same band.

Yeah, I've been tabulating to take account of that thus far. Worse case scenario, I can present the results both ways - per album and per artist. (EDIT) I guess I just prefer the album method so as to make discovering this music easier for future members & explorers.

The Batlord · 07-16-2011, 10:21 AM

ARG! I keep changing my mind and editing my answers.

1. Slayer - Reign In Blood
2. Slayer - Hell Awaits
3. Carcass - Necrotism: Descanting the Insalubrious
4. Celtic Frost - Into the Pandemonium
5. Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
6. Bathory - Bathory
7. Obituary - Cause of Death
8. Sepultura - Arise
9. Venom - Black Metal
10. Napalm Death - Utopia Banished

jackhammer · 07-19-2011, 08:04 PM

The problem I have here is actually ordering them into a top ten in order for points to be awarded.

So I will post albums and then add the running order in the next couple of days if that's OK?

I have not really gone for many typical faves as it is pretty obvious what many of those albums did for the genre but there was a huge amount of albums that straddled a few extreme genres and managed to appease fans from conflicting genres.

Infest - Slave
Crucifix - Dehumanization
Napalm Death - Scum
Death - Scream Bloody Gore
Void - Potion For Bad Dreams
Bathory - Under The Sign Of The Black Mark
Ministry - The Land Of Rape And Honey
Autopsy - Severed Survival
Blind Illusion - The Sane Asylum
Celtic Frost - Into The Pandemonium
Mordred - Fool's Game
Killing Joke - Debut
Ludichrist - Immaculate Deception
Agnostic Front - Cause For Alarm
Obituary - Slowly We Rot
Discharge - Hear Nothing...
Septic Death - Now That I Have Your Attention
Crumbsuckers - Life Of Dreams
Corrosion Of Conformity - Tecnocracy
Agnostic Front - Cause For Alarm
Venom - Black Metal
St. Vitus Dance- S.T
Kreator - Pleasure To Kill
Morbid Saint - Spectrum Of Death
Sabbat - Dreamweaver
S.O.D - Speak English Or Die
D.R.I - 4 of a Kind
Death Angel - The Ultra Violence
Nuclear Assault - Game Over
Prong - Beg To Differ
Carcass - Symphonies Of Sickness
Repulsion - Horrified

BastardofYoung · 07-20-2011, 03:56 AM

some of my favorites, can`t do 1 defenitive 10....

Possessed - Seven Churches (1985) (2)
Kreator - Pleasure to Kill (1986) (9)
Sodom - Persecution Mania (1987) (10)
Morbid Saint - Spectrum of Death (1988) (8)
Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness (1989) (1)
Terrorizer - World Downfall (1989) (7)
Entombed - Left Hand Path (1990) (5)
Obituary - Cause of Death (1990) (6)
Carcass - Necroticism: Descanting the Insalubrious (1991) (3)
Dismember - Like an Ever Flowing Stream (1991) (4)

Unknown Soldier · 07-20-2011, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

some of my favorites, can`t do 1 defenitive 10....

Possessed - Seven Churches (1985) (2)
Kreator - Pleasure to Kill (1986) (9)
Sodom - Persecution Mania (1987) (10)
Morbid Saint - Spectrum of Death (1988) (8)
Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness (1989) (1)
Terrorizer - World Downfall (1989) (7)
Entombed - Left Hand Path (1990) (5)
Obituary - Cause of Death (1990) (6)
Carcass - Necroticism: Descanting the Insalubrious (1991) (3)
Dismember - Like an Ever Flowing Stream (1991) (4)

Is it just each persons top ten in any order, or are we meant to put them in order from 1 to 10?

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Metal Connoisseur Franchise Player Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 539	This is a great idea! These community participation things are what forums should be about in my opinion. Here's mine: 1. Master of Puppets- Metallica 2. To Mega Therion- Celtic Frost 3. Reign in Blood- Slayer 4. Covenant- Morbid Angel 5. Arise- Sepultura 6. Cowboys From Hell- Pantera 7. The Age of Quarrel- Cro-Mags 8. Obedience Thru Suffering- Crowbar 9. Unquestionable Presence- Atheist 10. A Blaze in the Northern Sky- Darkthrone Last edited by Metal Connoisseur; 07-22-2011 at 05:56 AM.

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hip hop bunny hop Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,381	1. Repulsion - Horrified 2. Discharge - Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing 3. Mercyful Fate - Melissa 4. Slayer - Reign in Blood 5. Godflesh - Streetcleaner 6. Deicide - Legion 7. Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion 8. Cryptic Slaughter - Convicted 9. Master - Master 10. Sarco***o - INRI __________________ Have mercy on the poor.

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Unknown Soldier Horribly Creative Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London, The Big Smoke Posts: 8,265	Great idea for a thread, maybe as an idea it could be just one artist as well, to stop people choosing 2 or 3 albums by the same band. Death- Leprosy (4) Morbid Angel- Covenant (3) Celtic Frost- Morbid Tales (6) Bathory- Blood Fire Death (8) Sepultura- Arise (1) Slayer- Reign in Blood (2) Atheist- Unquestionable Presence (7) Kreator- Coma of Souls (5) Possessed- Seven Churches (10) Obituary- Slowly We Rot (9) Last edited by Unknown Soldier; 07-20-2011 at 05:21 PM.

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jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	The problem I have here is actually ordering them into a top ten in order for points to be awarded. So I will post albums and then add the running order in the next couple of days if that's OK? I have not really gone for many typical faves as it is pretty obvious what many of those albums did for the genre but there was a huge amount of albums that straddled a few extreme genres and managed to appease fans from conflicting genres. Infest - Slave Crucifix - Dehumanization Napalm Death - Scum Death - Scream Bloody Gore Void - Potion For Bad Dreams Bathory - Under The Sign Of The Black Mark Ministry - The Land Of Rape And Honey Autopsy - Severed Survival Blind Illusion - The Sane Asylum Celtic Frost - Into The Pandemonium Mordred - Fool's Game Killing Joke - Debut Ludichrist - Immaculate Deception Agnostic Front - Cause For Alarm Obituary - Slowly We Rot Discharge - Hear Nothing... Septic Death - Now That I Have Your Attention Crumbsuckers - Life Of Dreams Corrosion Of Conformity - Tecnocracy Agnostic Front - Cause For Alarm Venom - Black Metal St. Vitus Dance- S.T Kreator - Pleasure To Kill Morbid Saint - Spectrum Of Death Sabbat - Dreamweaver S.O.D - Speak English Or Die D.R.I - 4 of a Kind Death Angel - The Ultra Violence Nuclear Assault - Game Over Prong - Beg To Differ Carcass - Symphonies Of Sickness Repulsion - Horrified __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

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BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	some of my favorites, can`t do 1 defenitive 10.... Possessed - Seven Churches (1985) (2) Kreator - Pleasure to Kill (1986) (9) Sodom - Persecution Mania (1987) (10) Morbid Saint - Spectrum of Death (1988) (8) Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness (1989) (1) Terrorizer - World Downfall (1989) (7) Entombed - Left Hand Path (1990) (5) Obituary - Cause of Death (1990) (6) Carcass - Necroticism: Descanting the Insalubrious (1991) (3) Dismember - Like an Ever Flowing Stream (1991) (4) __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.