Howard the Duck

^^I'd rather to the original bands, not a clone

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BastardofYoung

I think there is a difference between cloning and being influenced by. Though I hear an influence by those 2 bands, i hear nothing that sounds like them directly.

Show me one song on Nevermind that sounds like Melvins or Pixies.

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Howard the Duck

^^it just sounds too much like them, yes, it's not a direct copy

yet on Bleach and In Utero, they have their own sound

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BastardofYoung

Not really. Though In Utero sounded like something unique in the mainstream if you listen to the underground noise rock scene of the 80's, you can probably find quite a few bands that sound like that.

Bleach I would agree with you more on the Melvins influence.

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someonecompletelyrandom

Not really. Nothing had that incredible amount of passion in In Utero, I don't really think it's all that stylistically similar . In Utero actually sounds more like Surfer Rosa in places, but that's due to Albini helming production more than anything.

Howard the Duck

In Utero sounds more like a cross between the Cows and the Fall to me

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mr dave

Comparing these two albums is really like comparing apples and oranges.

On one hand you have a monstrously huge commercial and critical success that defined a generation.

On the other you have a monstrously huge critical success that's still gaining commercial success because it's been defined as something we should all have been appreciating 20 years ago but, generally speaking, we were all too busy headbanging and asking who was going to entertain us next to really pay attention.

Having said that, Loveless may well be a better artistic album, but really, only Soon actually makes me want to move, while the entirety of Nevermind makes me want to get up and freak out. To paraphrase Territorial Pissings...

Just because it's artisy fartsy, don't mean it's any better than you

If I was forced to choose I'd take Nevermind's rocking tunes and it's shiny plastic production over Loveless' meandering introspection and lush soundscapes. To argue that Nevermind sounds derivative to other bands just sounds like an incredibly weak justification to choose the more artistically correct option. I mean NO ONE actually heard anything like Loveless on early Spacemen3 or Sonic Youth discs right? Nope! No Siree! Though personally, Loveless has always sounded like a full length album built off of The Smiths' How Soon Is Now? to my ears.

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Howard the Duck

Loveless might not be doing anything new but Shields did manage to sculpt the sounds in a way which to me is the aural equivalent of being in love

the only other album that sounds to me like that is The Cocteau Twins' Milk & Kisses and that was several years after

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duga

Why Milk and Honey? I feel like that album was a less realized version of Four Calendar Cafe...which itself paled in comparison to Heaven or Las Vegas.

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Goofle

I am currently listening to Head Over Heels and loving it. Anyway, continue...

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