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I don't know. That's a pretty hard one to get into, if you ask me. It's very hard to make out what is being done, not only in the vocals, but also in the instrumentals. It's a lot easier to get into Celtic Frost, their first, that is; haven't heard much else.

The way I look at thrash metal was usually very fast paced instrumentation, and usually screeched, but very fast vocals - Metallica's Kill 'Em All. But now I am not certain with my listens to Sepultura's Beneath the Remains and Arise, and some Overkill. I just don't know what thrash is anymore. I always thought that thrash had to be sung fast, kind of like how James Hetfield did, but then I see that some is very slow and very guttural. Death metal, Cannibal Corpse in particular, isn't all that sped up, nor all that heavier, somewhat more brutal, but only in the lyrics.

It's all gotten me a bit confused, really.

If you mean Cradle of Filth... Why do so many crap on that band? I loved Midian. But what do I know; I'm finding it hard to get into Bathory...

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Well Max Cavalera of Sepultura was a major influence on some death metal acts and those albums that you've mentioned could be borderline thrash and death anyway. What Overkill albums are you referring to? Also you need to remember that thrash like a lot of genres also evolved itself from its basic sound anyway, otherwise it probably wouldn't have gone past a couple of years.

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Yeah, I guess that a band can cross over many genres, and be considered one over the others.


Their first, Feel the Fire.

I always hear that Metallica took much from NWOBHM, and from punk. I was always shaking my head and acratching my head with confusion because I just couldn't see it. How can NWOBHM and punk bring about a thrash band. I can kind of see it better now since I've really paid attention to punk and the way they present the lyrics and how they sing. They do sometimes tend to scream their lyrics.

What do you think of that recent band Toxic Holocaust? I've read on allmusic that they are punk influenced death metal. After listening to Bathory I think that they are more black metal than thrash and death.

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I haven't heard that album in years so can't remember it that well, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't your typical thrash album from the time.

Well Metallica are a great example on Kill 'Em All on bringing these styles together, even though Slayer and Megadeth might be even better examples. Just think like this: Punk-NWOBHM-Hardcore-Thrash It's a very easy line to follow and the three things that they all have in common is 1) Aggression 2) Home-made feel 3) Reactionary movements.

Hardly know them, but in the 00's genre labelling in metal just went crazy to the point that nobody's really that clear on where the parameters lie anymore.

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I don't know. It's a bit Helloweenish now that I think of it. I heard that Helloween put out an almost thrash album, but I have only heard those Keeper of the Seven Keys, so I wouldn't know. But yeah, Feel the Fire feels very NWOBHM in an Iron Maideny way.


I don't really know hardcore at all. I've read a little about it. What I've read is that it's very punkish, but a bit more brutal, as in they kind of yell, maybe. Now the yelling I get. Thrash is full of yelling and screaming. And seeing the hardcore scene on some jacket covers it looks very Pantera-esqe in their approach to actual style of music and clothing. And since Pantera cite Metallica as a major influence, I can see that for sure.


Well, if you like Bathory, I think that you should give Toxic Holocaust a go. I have only really heard the first self titled Bathory album, so I am going off of that. But they seem very similar. Toxic was probably highly influences by Bathory, or a coincidence...

Toxic Holocaust - War is Hell


Toxic Holocaust War is Hell - YouTube

Toxic Holocaust - 666


Toxic Holocaust - 666 - YouTube

Engine

In case anybody here is actually interested in black metal there is this..




and more recently, this..

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Ninetales

One of my fav black metal albums (and albums overall i suppose) of the year


Botanist - To Amass An Army (Mandragora III) - YouTube

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ps im always game for new black metal recs hit me up yo

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^^^ Engine is certainly right about Black Witchery. I'd recommend them wholeheartedly.

Allmusic is, more or less, worthless when it comes to underground metal. Toxic Holocaust is all about early Sodom, Bathory, etc.... so, yeah, good for you spotting that.

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& Witch in Her Tomb. Wonderful band.

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