Black Metal!

The Batlord · 10-28-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsunami

If Bathory, Celtic Frost etc. were not there, people would have obviously taken other influences and produced another sounds, which gets complicated at this point, but it's only obvious that there would be black metal / some sort of replacement for it for it because of the weirdos like Tom Gabriel Fisher / Quorthon.

Why is it obvious? We might have a mildly popular sub-genre of thrash metal that was influenced more by Sarco***o than by Metallica. But without such ground breaking and genre defying bands as Bathory and Celtic Frost, I see no reason to believe that black metal would necessarily have evolved to the uber genre it is now.

Tsunami · 10-28-2011, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Why is it obvious? We might have a mildly popular sub-genre of thrash metal that was influenced more by Sarco***o than by Metallica. But without such ground breaking and genre defying bands as Bathory and Celtic Frost, I see no reason to believe that black metal would necessarily have evolved to the uber genre it is now.

I doubt that an uber-genre would remain buried forever due the lack of some key artists, it would probably take more time for it to come up with, but that's the same with death metal without influential artists. I don't see why you take it so black and white, because about nothing in this universe is black and white.

hip hop bunny hop · 10-30-2011, 08:16 PM

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I mean that they invented the whole style that the Norwegian bands used, not black metal in general. I mean that if Bathory hadn't developed black metal as they did, black metal may have just stayed an uglier version of thrash metal and may have died out when death metal came along.

Bathory, especially the first album, are central and amazing; but I don't get this worship over Norwegian black metal. The 2nd generation, in particular, had as it's major contribution to the genre a series of idiotic, headline grabbing actions. Even if we don't debate the quality of some of these bands, look at what followed - a horde of me-too bands.

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We might have a mildly popular sub-genre of thrash metal that was influenced more by Sarco***o than by Metallica. But without such ground breaking and genre defying bands as Bathory and Celtic Frost, I see no reason to believe that black metal would necessarily have evolved to the uber genre it is now.

It may not have become as popular, but there's no shortage of bands that are tapping anything but the Norwegian vein - Midnight, Black Witchery, Barbatos, Conqueror, Revenge, Angelcorpse, etc. You know, bands that recognize punk/grindcore roots of black metal.

Unknown Soldier · 11-10-2011, 08:57 AM

Finally got around to listening to a Dimmu Borgir album their third Enthrone Darkness Triumphant, whats the opinion on this band as I know they appeal to people who listen to COF (who really are bad)

I don`t really dig any type of symphonic metal, but thought the Dimmu Borgir album pretty good for a symphonic black metal album, not as good as the Therion album Theli though which I was listening to recently, which was symphonic but not symphonic black metal.

The Batlord · 11-10-2011, 09:53 AM

I listened to it a while back. It was pretty sweet, but symphonic black metal is also not my thing.

IWP · 11-10-2011, 08:01 PM

Its all rock n roll to meeeeee!!!!!!!

Howard the Duck · 11-10-2011, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Finally got around to listening to a Dimmu Borgir album their third Enthrone Darkness Triumphant, whats the opinion on this band as I know they appeal to people who listen to COF (who really are bad)

I don`t really dig any type of symphonic metal, but thought the Dimmu Borgir album pretty good for a symphonic black metal album, not as good as the Therion album Theli though which I was listening to recently, which was symphonic but not symphonic black metal.

i don't like Dimmo Burger much, it sounds rather bland to me

i also don't really like Therion, until they adopted a more easier-listening sound

the only symphonic black metal which I think is great is still Emperor

Insane Guest · 11-10-2011, 08:33 PM

Dimmu described as Bland? First time I heard that, if anyone has any more Symphonic BM they want to share I need more!

Sneer · 11-10-2011, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lone Misfit

Dimmu described as Bland? First time I heard that, if anyone has any more Symphonic BM they want to share I need more!

I'm not massively into symphonic BM, but Odium are a band I have A LOT of time for.

Emperor is a great call too.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 11-10-2011, 11:26 PM

Dimmu Borgir to me just sounds like a thousand screams, blastbeats, and guitar solos thrown randomly over a Danny Elfman soundtrack. There's seemingly no real connection between the symphonic, and rock part in my ears.

Albeit, half of the members of Borgir are also members of Arcturus which fuses classical, and European folk with black metal perfectly(well, at least when Garm is involved).

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Unknown Soldier Horribly Creative Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London, The Big Smoke Posts: 8,265	Finally got around to listening to a Dimmu Borgir album their third Enthrone Darkness Triumphant, whats the opinion on this band as I know they appeal to people who listen to COF (who really are bad) I don`t really dig any type of symphonic metal, but thought the Dimmu Borgir album pretty good for a symphonic black metal album, not as good as the Therion album Theli though which I was listening to recently, which was symphonic but not symphonic black metal.

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