Dream Theater--Greatest Metal Band of this Era (singer, blues, instrumental)

TheBig3 · 04-08-2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Im asuming you mean "pftt"

But skillwise, Peart is better, and when it comes to being a exiting and entertaining drummer, Peart also takes it in my opinion.

Im willing to upload a performance for anyone whos interested.

Im not defending anyone, but on other boards, WOW for example, qft is "quoted for truth"

I myself couldn't compare the two as I know about 5 songs from each band.

TheBig3 · 04-08-2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Don

My random number generator has picked you, so be it.

So what you're saying, more or less, is that it's impossible for a band to be insanely technical, and then to also have tracks where they display their technical brilliance in contrast with brilliant compositions? Such an ignorant statement.

I'm guessing you're one of those “I listened to a few DT tracks and all they do is wank” people. In fact, half of DT's catalogue doesn't consist of wanking. So saying DT is all wank is a hideously incorrect statement (I refer you to when you said “all”). But you obliviously know this, so this brings me to my main point.

Saying DT has no heart and seeming as though you're speaking on everyone's behalf is an extremely foolish thing to say. Are you saying that the only people who like DT are musicians who appreciate their talent? You can't make a general statement about the band just because you don't feel any emotional connection with any of the tracks that you have heard. Have you even seen them perform live? It's not hard to see that even after countless performances, DT have a passion for their music.

I keep quoting the same link, but I think it's the best example of what I'm trying to say – it blends technical insanity with pure beauty. And if you don't feel anything from watching this clip, no one cares, because I can assure you that millions do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAOIUWv1ilo

So what you're saying in the final passge of this epic reply is that, even if everything you've just speculated about me is wrong, it still doesn't matter because people like it so I must be wrong? Explain to me why I'd want to address any of your concerns or critisisms then? Better yet, explain to me why you'd even bother replying in the first place?

But seeing as public defamation should warrent eye-for-an-eye responce. Lets select a few of these and make a counterpoint.

First off, for better or worse I own a Dream Theater CD, so I've heard more than a few songs. Secondly, I don't even hate it all, but lets call a spade a spade, if DT isn't a "wankathon" then what is? Some guy warming up with scales before he plays other neo-classical music?

My statement that they have no heart is that their music is emotionless. Its clinical, mechanical, and robotic. And whats funny is, correct or incorrect we can all make any statement here we want within parameters, and thats the statement I did make. And no, I havn't seen them live, but I did hear live recording of them covering the entiere Master of Puppets album. And that was awful.

In regards to the first two things you wrote, yes that would be an ignorant statement had I made it, But I didn't, I said what makes a great band is when they have both. Technique and passion. Obviously we can deduce that I feel they are combine-able.

Lastly, but I should say, most importantly, WTF is a random number generator doing picking people? Should it pick numbers? Run that one by me. Unless of course it choose three.

judas_priest · 04-08-2006, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

But his vocals are certainly not for all tastes, and i understand that a lot of people simply cant stand his singing.

lol, yeah that's true.

boo boo · 04-08-2006, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Im not defending anyone, but on other boards, WOW for example, qft is "quoted for truth"

Dammit.

I cant stand abbreviations.

~~Don~~ · 04-09-2006, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

So what you're saying in the final passge of this epic reply is that, even if everything you've just speculated about me is wrong, it still doesn't matter because people like it so I must be wrong? Explain to me why I'd want to address any of your concerns or critisisms then? Better yet, explain to me why you'd even bother replying in the first place?

But seeing as public defamation should warrent eye-for-an-eye responce. Lets select a few of these and make a counterpoint.

First off, for better or worse I own a Dream Theater CD, so I've heard more than a few songs. Secondly, I don't even hate it all, but lets call a spade a spade, if DT isn't a "wankathon" then what is? Some guy warming up with scales before he plays other neo-classical music?

The fact that you've only heard a few songs is exactly supporting my argument. Each DT album has an entirely different theme or mood associated with it. Because of this you can't make a general statement about DT without hearing all of their studio albums first.

My point wasn't saying that DT never wank, it was saying that they don't always, and your statement suggested that it's all they seem to do. Moreover, people have different definitions of wank, and many might feel that DT love to impress their audience, in which case they're recording these “wank sessions” to put on a show that people paid to see or hear...so what's wrong with that? Not everyone is going to like extremely long solos, but that's a part of prog and like I already said, DT aren't entirely about extended solos. See: Every track off their debut album, “Another Day,” “Surrounded,” almost every track off Awake, “Disappear,” etc, etc, etc.

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My statement that they have no heart is that their music is emotionless. Its clinical, mechanical, and robotic. And whats funny is, correct or incorrect we can all make any statement here we want within parameters, and thats the statement I did make. And no, I havn't seen them live, but I did hear live recording of them covering the entiere Master of Puppets album. And that was awful.

Of course you can make any statement refelecting your opinon if you want, but I was pointing out that you seemed to have made an all-encompassing general statement by putting DT in negative light, and using the word “all.”

So not only haven't you heard all their albums, but you haven't even seen them live...did you at least click the link I gave?

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In regards to the first two things you wrote, yes that would be an ignorant statement had I made it, But I didn't, I said what makes a great band is when they have both. Technique and passion. Obviously we can deduce that I feel they are combine-able.

And that's exactly what I'm saying; of course you can combine them, and its my opinion that the majority of DT's work combines them almost perfectly. The mother of all examples is “Metropolis” and that link I gave you is the mother of all extended solos examples.

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Lastly, but I should say, most importantly, WTF is a random number generator doing picking people? Should it pick numbers? Run that one by me. Unless of course it choose three.

mmm, my clever random number generator assigns each poster a specific number according to the order in which someone has posted. In this example, you were indeed three, yes. If it had of picked one, my reply would have been: "omg I love you."

ShadowSurfer · 04-09-2006, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Don

Because of this you can't make a general statement about DT without hearing all of their studio albums first.

what a load of crap. So, I have to force down every meal a chef can make before I decide his cooking makes me wan to puke??

~~Don~~ · 04-09-2006, 01:31 AM

To properly use your analogy, your chef must be a master in a wide variety of cooking, and perhaps you don't like a specific meal but you might quickly change your mind after you try a different one, but you don't have to. But if you don't you're just being unfairly judgmental.

judas_priest · 04-09-2006, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer

what a load of crap. So, I have to force down every meal a chef can make before I decide his cooking makes me wan to puke??

lol, I see what your saying, but I agree with Don. Dream Theater's albums all sound very different, so to be able to judge, to do need to hear more than one, although this is probably not the case with most bands.
I'm a big fan and there's some DT albums I don't like very much.

draxus · 04-09-2006, 05:18 PM

Yeah their good and i agree that the drumme is very good

~~Don~~ · 04-10-2006, 03:47 AM

MP is objectively the least talented member in DT in regards to ability. I know you aren't necessarily saying the others aren't also "very good" but I'm curious as to how much DT you've heard to say something like that.

04-09-2006, 01:31 AM	#67 (permalink)
~~Don~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 647	To properly use your analogy, your chef must be a master in a wide variety of cooking, and perhaps you don't like a specific meal but you might quickly change your mind after you try a different one, but you don't have to. But if you don't you're just being unfairly judgmental.

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draxus Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canton, Georgia Posts: 94	Yeah their good and i agree that the drumme is very good

04-10-2006, 03:47 AM	#70 (permalink)
~~Don~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 647	MP is objectively the least talented member in DT in regards to ability. I know you aren't necessarily saying the others aren't also "very good" but I'm curious as to how much DT you've heard to say something like that.