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Old 04-12-2006, 06:37 AM   #191 (permalink)
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Old 04-12-2006, 06:41 AM   #192 (permalink)
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That did make me 'lol' actually...
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Old 04-12-2006, 06:49 AM   #193 (permalink)
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Show me ONE quote where I haven't respected someone's opinion.
Whats the point?... I'd have a pretty hard time trying to pick one out of nearly 500 posts of the same ol' bullsh*t.



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Never recall saying that I was a grammar king, just that it's better than yours.
Dream Theater still blows.


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I think I've said this about six times already but here goes again: spelling has NOTHING to do with grammar. And I've never misspelled a word, perhaps I've made a few typos here or there. If I went through all your grammatical and spelling errors...let's just say I won't because that'd be too easy and embarrassing.
You misspelled Kurt Cobain on the guitarist poll.


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I disagree. "Dumb" isn't well defined and your status and winning the Nobel prize doesn't necessarily mean you have a more valid opinion than the next person, it just means that they're relatively knowledgeable.
Yet you having better grammar and apparantly having a music degree makes you smarter than me.

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I think everyone bar you knows about my sarcasm by now. And all the time? I don't be sarcastic that often in regards to that. I also noticed you like generalising a lot, speaking on everyone's behalf; "no one."
Exactly which are the sarcasm parts, the being a well paid critic/music grad part?... Haha very funny, can you leave MB now?... Pretty please, with sugar on top.

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See, there you go again! How many times must I compare our musical knowledge?? I'm a musical graduate, I compose, I play many instruments (drums, keyboard, trumpet, sax, etc), and even if you knew every rock band in the world and the entire history of music and whatnot, this means nothing compared with actual theory.
I play Guitar/Banjo/Keyboard/Harmonica... You dont see me bragging.

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lol, you remind me of a friend of mine who couldn't be convinced that 0.9 recurring is exactly equal to 1. *waits for DontRunMeOver's disagreement* LaBrie's range IS approximately 4 octaves, and you WERE slightly wrong with SOME of your figures, some I wasn't sure and some I never argued about (e.g Buckley, Mercury). I have the music sheets with me, why should I tell you such and such sings such and such note when you'll probably just say “you're lying” like you often do?
NO I WASNT WRONG.

Which is why i would say Tates was somewhere between 3 and 3.5, regardless i know for a fact his is higher than LaBries, like Hendrix mentioned earlier, he has problems reaching lower notes.

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Rudess being the most skilled keyboardist in rock is a strong belief of mine from studying many many many keyboardists.
You need to study Keith Emerson a little bit more.

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It is irrelevant for me to say why I think he's the best to someone like you who dismissed my opinion immediately.
Point is, you dont even go into detail to explain why he's the best, other than his music degree, and you say it like hes the only musician out there with a highly trained musical background.

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I said he was the best, you called me an idiot and named some others. That's where the argument was, it wasn't whether If I could tell you why I think he's the best because that's irrelevant; you already dismissed my opinion and called me a moron, there is obviuosly no good reason why I should elaborate on points to people like you. If someone made a thread saying who do you reckon is the best keyboardist in rock and why? Then I'd give a lengthy response if I felt like it.
You're copping out.

If you cant explain to me how John Petrucci is better than Shawn Lane or Lenny Breau, then you have little reason to remain on this forum if you cant have a reasonable debate, which is what forums are suposed to be for.

I don't give examples??? I always list several tracks to help with my points.

Funny, i do too, but you always laugh them off maybe without even having heard the songs i mention, which is ok when you do it, when i do it, its bad.

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Moving on, I never said Pertuci was the best guitarist in rock, I hate when you falsify my statements. I'd probably go with Vai, or Mäenpää.
I swore you did, anyway you said i couldnt name 5 better, and i named 30.

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No boo-bear, I'm sure they don't all think I'm a moron and a liar (again with the immature generalising).
Yeah, you're very well liked on this forum alright... Cheeseman, Murder Junkie, Bungalowbill, Crowquill, Urban, DontRunMeOver, Right-Track, Jibber, Mosesandtherubberducky, PerfectionThruSilence and LesPaul43 especially.

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When an interesting thread comes up about theory I'll have a go. Which is what I did recently with DontRunMeOver's thread. Again, I never once seriously boasted, I merely listed my credentials when you insulted my intelligence. Aren't I allowed to defend myself from incorrect accusations without actually proving it? I don't see a point in proving anything to people who insult me. I know in your mind you feel it's necessary, but unlike you, I'm not arrogant. Jesus, if I was arrogant I'd make a thread listing all my achievements (I hadn't even discussed my novel writing until recently) and upload my 70+ compositions and tell you all how good they are. I'd post all my professional reviews and show you all the mag and site I work at and how much I pwn. I'd probably even post a picture of me because of how good looking I am, etc. Even when I'm not trying to be sarcastic it happens, damn.
I have seen you bring up your musical background while arguing with others, admit it, you express the same smug atitude to everyone you argue with, including the posters who are nowhere as agressive as i am when it comes to arguing with a obnoxious rodent like yourself.


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mmm, I mostly review prog-metal artists, but I write some negative prog reviews. Correct, I haven't done that many - it's in the teens I believe.
Any non prog metal prog bands?... Not including ones with members of Dream Theater.



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Prove what? The evidence is right there, I don't need to sift through where we first started fighting do I? I think you know it's the truth.
You made the very first blow when you first came to this forum and mocked my musical taste and credibility, all because i dont consider DT mighty prog gods like you do.

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That argument was half a joke around and half serious. The serious aspect of it was my hate for TMV and that is all. I don't remember jumping to conclusions about you...
You kept making remarks about how i knew nothing about prog, and you didnt even f*cking know me, you still dont know me, but you came out of nowhere and criticized me, and i didnt even freakin' remember you from being on this forum, why?... Because you just joined, and you were already insulting people, primarly me.


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Thanks, it was meant to be funny if I did that, but I didn't. As for my "self gratifying" comments, I'm starting to think sarcasm isn't in your vocabulary.
You brag about being a critic all the damn time.

btw, i find it odd that you once said to me that you had written nearly a hundred reviews, yet now you say its somewhere around the teens... Funny.

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I like how you ignore the rest though, haha. Well you didn't explicitly say it but you said something like "I know more about prog than you...why? Because I'm Dr. prog dammnit." That, for me, translates into “I know everything about prog” in a sort of condescending way, certainly not a literal way. My little scenario wasn't of course entirely literal.
Point is, i was someone who actually enjoyed listening to prog, real prog, so yes, i do think i would know more about it than you do, since you dont even like prog rock in general... Because you know some prog metal bands dosent mean you're instantly a prog expert, especially when you are pretty closed minded to the genre as a whole.

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Alright, now i'm 99% sure this is all a joke.

I mean c'mon! "Your mommy dropped you on your head as a baby?... How sad, lol."

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Thats certainly something you would say.

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Maybe you have dreams where you DO actually pwn me. I never said anything like that or any of the others on your list (besides “roflol”). I've said 'wrong' though, what a crime. It's hard to come up with a word besides wrong when I'm talking to you most of the time though. When you've been wrong I do sometimes try and explain why you're wrong, but then you just insult me so I don't refer you to links or whatever, it's more fun when you look it up for yourself and then go silent which has happened several times.
Me, and every poster, including yourself, has pwned your ass at some point in time, and when i say one point in time i mean everytime you post and someone responds.

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And also, you said:

"Like if i actually factually proved you wrong at something, which i have done more times than i can f*cking count"

You know you have never factually proved me wrong, blah blah blah blah blah.
I proved you wrong about LaBries vocal skills (or lack there of), i even got a friend of mine to register here just to help make it official, and his case was pretty solid, i'm right, you're wrong, the end.

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Its Kurt, NOT Curt.
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Old 04-12-2006, 06:54 AM   #194 (permalink)
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Me: I don't like Dream Theater

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Judging my personality on my opinion. It wasn't called for, was it?
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Old 04-12-2006, 07:04 AM   #195 (permalink)
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lol, you know I was joking hopefully.
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Old 04-12-2006, 07:06 AM   #196 (permalink)
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Old 04-12-2006, 07:42 AM   #197 (permalink)
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Whats the point?... I'd have a pretty hard time trying to pick one out of nearly 500 posts of the same ol' bullsh*t.
The point is that there is none. If there were nearly 500, wouldn't that mean it would be extremely easy for you to pick one? lol

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Yet you having better grammar and apparantly having a music degree makes you smarter than me.

Hypoooooooooooooooooooooooocriiiiiiiiiiiiiiite.
I said it made them relatively knowledgable. Don't you understand what that means? It doesn't contradict with the fact that having a musical degree most likely means you're more knowledgable in music than one without.

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I play Guitar/Banjo/Keyboard/Harmonica... You dont see me bragging.
That's because there's nothing to brag about. You probably wish you were more competent in music theory, which isn't to say I brag about it, I'm just assuming your character by your arrogant traits.

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Which is why i would say Tates was somewhere between 3 and 3.5, regardless i know for a fact his is higher than LaBries, like Hendrix mentioned earlier, he has problems reaching lower notes.
Actually Hendrix never dismissed my claims.

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Point is, you dont even go into detail to explain why he's the best, other than his music degree, and you say it like hes the only musician out there with a highly trained musical background.
I already explained this. And when did you explain why Emerson is the best? It's extremely hard to do and like I said, I would in a different context.

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If you cant explain to me how John Petrucci is better than Shawn Lane or Lenny Breau, then you have little reason to remain on this forum if you cant have a reasonable debate, which is what forums are suposed to be for.
Everything's about proofs with you isn't it? What you don't get is that I don't care about trying to explain something to you that you're just going to tell me i'm wrong to anyway.

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Funny, i do too, but you always laugh them off maybe without even having heard the songs i mention, which is ok when you do it, when i do it, its bad.
Putting words in my mouth again I see. This doesn't make sense, I never said you didn't list examples (which seems to be your point). Me laughing them off means I find them to be bad examples. In other words, our opinions differ, get over it.

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I swore you did, anyway you said i couldnt name 5 better, and i named 30.
So are you saying it's a fact that those 30 are better?

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Yeah, you're very well liked on this forum alright... Cheeseman, Murder Junkie, Bungalowbill, Crowquill, Urban, DontRunMeOver, Right-Track, Jibber, Mosesandtherubberducky, PerfectionThruSilence and LesPaul43 especially.
Last time I checked there were 10,091 members of this forum, and I'm pretty sure those examples don't make up that number. And I don't think cheeseman or DontRunMe over hate me that much. And I don't even know Jibber, so I'm guessing that's wrong too.

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I have seen you bring up your musical background while arguing with others
No you haven't because it never happened; I never used my background as a point for my arguments.


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Any non prog metal prog bands?... Not including ones with members of Dream Theater.
Yeppy. Only small ones though.

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You made the very first blow when you first came to this forum and mocked my musical taste and credibility, all because i dont consider DT mighty prog gods like you do.
Simply not true. It all started with me saying TMV aren't prog like you said previously, don't change your story. The DT thing came way after, and you're the one that obviously started that one; when I listed them as my fav band you took a shot at me.

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You kept making remarks about how i knew nothing about prog, and you didnt even f*cking know me, you still dont know me, but you came out of nowhere and criticized me, and i didnt even freakin' remember you from being on this forum, why?... Because you just joined, and you were already insulting people, primarly me.
I might have said that I don't consider TMV to be prog and tried explaining why, but I didn't make any insulting remarks except possibly for ones as a laugh. And don't reverse/steal my point about you not knowing me please.

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You brag about being a critic all the damn time.
I actually haven't. Just because I have pointed it out when you insult my intelligence it doesn't mean I'm bragging.

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btw, i find it odd that you once said to me that you had written nearly a hundred reviews, yet now you say its somewhere around the teens... Funny.
Hundreds? Yeah I guess I have written that many unprofessional reviews for critics, friends and on forums, etc. But not that many where I was paid for them though.

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Point is, i was someone who actually enjoyed listening to prog, real prog, so yes, i do think i would know more about it than you do, since you dont even like prog rock in general... Because you know some prog metal bands dosent mean you're instantly a prog expert, especially when you are pretty closed minded to the genre as a whole.
I think I've said it before that I've studied almost every single style of rock and have listened to them all thoroughly. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean I know nothing about it or haven't listened to it.
If I was close-minded, why do I have so many prog albums? I have all PF's, all Yes', all KC's, Genesis, etc, etc.

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I proved you wrong about LaBries vocal skills (or lack there of), i even got a friend of mine to register here just to help make it official, and his case was pretty solid, i'm right, you're wrong, the end.
So you came up with one example and I wasn't wrong. You PROVED me wrong? How? by listing numbers that you could have just made up? Nicely done with the proof there. I was actually closer to a proof when I said I would scan the pages which shows LaBrie's highest and lowest notes (I would have done it by now but my scanner isn't working 'cause my bro broke it I think). When you see them you'll probably say "it's wrong." Moreover, how can you possibly know that LaBrie doesn't have a four octave range? Even if he didn't record it, it doesn't mean anything...obvious but valid point that you've missed.

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It's 'an' obnoxious, not 'a.' And that wasn't my typo anyway, it was a tiny little typo with his last name.
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The point is that there is none. If there were nearly 500, wouldn't that mean it would be extremely easy for you to pick one? lol
No, because you are an asshole on every single one of them.



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I said it made them relatively knowledgable. Don't you understand what that means? It doesn't contradict with the fact that having a musical degree most likely means you're more knowledgable in music than one without.
Tell that to Paul Mccartney.

Knowing you, you probably do think you know music better than he does, i would like to hear some of your brillant work, i bet it pwns everything The Beatles has ever done.

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That's because there's nothing to brag about. You probably wish you were more competent in music theory, which isn't to say I brag about it, I'm just assuming your character by your arrogant traits.
A lot of great musicians have trained themselves without the need for deep knowledge in theory or sheet music, Flea cant read sheet music, nor can Steve Howe... And they are two of the most well respected musicians in their field.

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Actually Hendrix never dismissed my claims.
Oh yes he did, he explained vocal skill quite well, and hes a classically trained singer, which probably gives him more knowledge than you on the subject at hand.


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I already explained this. And when did you explain why Emerson is the best? It's extremely hard to do and like I said, I would in a different context.
Have you heard Tarkus, Karn Evil 9 or Take A Pebble?... Or anything off Pictures At A Exibition?... Im willing to send you some tracks, i'll also throw in some Wakeman just to be a good sport.

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Everything's about proofs with you isn't it? What you don't get is that I don't care about trying to explain something to you that you're just going to tell me i'm wrong to anyway.
Well, if it looks like a duck.....

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Putting words in my mouth again I see. This doesn't make sense, I never said you didn't list examples (which seems to be your point). Me laughing them off means I find them to be bad examples. In other words, our opinions differ, get over it.
And thats exactly how i feel, we're just not on the same page, thats all.

Your page is the ignorant, pompus buffoon page.

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So are you saying it's a fact that those 30 are better?
What you dont understand is that skill can be accurately measured, and i talk to guitarists all the time, including music students, most of them could name 30 better guitarists, and i named the ones that get the most praise from musicians who consider them better than Petrucci.

I just know they are more talented players, more versatle, better at improv and much more creativity to compliment their skill and craft.


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Last time I checked there were 10,091 members of this forum, and I'm pretty sure those examples don't make up that number. And I don't think cheeseman or DontRunMe over hate me that much. And I don't even know Jibber, so I'm guessing that's wrong too.
Ok maybe not Jibber, Cheeseman hates you though, i can garantee that.

Point is, all those 10,091 posters are not regulars, the regulars in general hate your guts.

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No you haven't because it never happened; I never used my background as a point for my arguments.

You have already used it in this post so far.


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Yeppy. Only small ones though.
Names.

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Simply not true. It all started with me saying TMV aren't prog like you said previously, don't change your story. The DT thing came way after, and you're the one that obviously started that one when I listed them as my fav band you took a shot at me.
You took a shot at me for saying they are not prog, then i took a shot back at you for being such a fanboy...Thats how i remember it.

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I might have said that I don't consider TMV to be prog and tried explaining why, but I didn't make any insulting remarks except possibly for ones as a laugh. And don't reverse/steal my point about you not knowing me please.
Point is you were already attacking me and you didnt know me...I have rights to take shots back, my shots are just more agressive than yours.

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I actually haven't. Just because I have pointed it out when you insult my intelligence it doesn't mean I'm bragging.
Tell that to Crowquill, he had to endure a lot of crap from you.


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Hundreds? Yeah I guess I have written that many unprofessional reviews for critics, friends and on forums, etc. But not that many where I was paid for them though.
Thats not what i remember.

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I think I've said it before that I've studied almost every single style of rock and have listened to them all thoroughly. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean I know nothing about it or haven't listened to it.
If I was close-minded, why do I have so many prog albums? I have all PF's, all Yes', all KC's, Genesis, etc, etc.
Listen to Yes's Schooldays and tell me they're not better than Dream Theater.

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So you came up with one example and I wasn't wrong. You PROVED me wrong? How? by listing numbers that you could have just made up?
They were numbers that Hendrix noted to me on AIM.

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Nicely done with the proof there. I was actually closer to a proof when I said I owuld scan the pages which shows LaBrie's highest and lowest notes. When you see them you'll probably say "it's wrong." Moreover, how can you possibly know that LaBrie doesn't have a four octave range? Even if he didn't record it, it doesn't mean anything...obvious but valid point that you've missed.
How do you know?

It hasnt been heard on record, i recall that Hendrix has heard most of DTs material, as have i, and i dont hear this amazing range, if you can prove it, dont be reluctant.

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It's 'an' obnoxious, not 'a.' And that wasn't my typo anyway, it was a tiny little typo with his last name.
A typo is a typo, you're a hypocrite.
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A lot of great musicians have trained themselves without the need for deep knowledge in theory or sheet music, Flea cant read sheet music, nor can Steve Howe... And they are two of the most well respected musicians in their field.
A point I never argued. But I'm of the belief that better musicans do know their theory.

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Have you heard Tarkus, Karn Evil 9 or Take A Pebble?... Or anything off Pictures At A Exibition?... Im willing to send you some tracks, i'll also throw in some Wakeman just to be a good sport.
I've heard them but don't own PaaE. Those examples don't beat Rudess' solos in "Blind Faith" or "Acid Rain." Karn Evil 9 isn't all that impressive, not a good example there.

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What you dont understand is that skill can be accurately measured, and i talk to guitarists all the time, including music students, most of them could name 30 better guitarists, and i named the ones that get the most praise from musicians who consider them better than Petrucci.

I just know they are more talented players, more versatle, better at improv and much more creativity to compliment their skill and craft.
I don't get this, you made a point about talking to musicians...I'm a musician. I don't need to talk to them (but I do anyway).

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Unsigned ones like Dillon's Route, Midnight Swim, Relliger, etc. I don't despise prog, and I used to love it but I moved on and find artists like Genesis and Jethro Tull to be lame.

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How do you know?
I've seen DVD's (backstage) displaying it as well.
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A point I never argued. But I'm of the belief that better musicans do know their theory.
You would think that with all of that knowledge in theory those Dream Theater boys could make some decent music, oh well...

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I've heard them but don't own PaaE. Those examples don't beat Rudess' solos in "Blind Faith" or "Acid Rain." Karn Evil 9 isn't all that impressive, not a good example there.
Have you even heard the whole goddamn thing or just the single version?...Which is just the second part of the 1st impression, Emersons skill really shines on the 2nd and 3rd impressions, come on know.

You havent heard much ELP, or else you would know better.

You also need to check out some of Wakemans solo stuff, as dull as the actual music may be, his skills on the keys are a unavoidable highlight, i can tell you with all of my heart, he is better than Rudess.

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I don't get this, you made a point about talking to musicians...I'm a musician. I don't need to talk to them (but I do anyway).
Only these musicians dont talk out of their ass and when they say something, they prove it.

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Unsigned ones like Dillon's Route, Midnight Swim, Relliger, etc. I don't despise prog, and I used to love it but I moved on and find artists like Genesis and Jethro Tull to be lame.
Well its great to know that your tastes have evolved to appreciate the superior likes of Dream Theater and Dragonforce.

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I've seen DVD's (backstage) displaying it as well.
How were you able to measure his range?

And i doubt whoever said that is correct, musicians have a tendacy to make stuff up about themselves.
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