Dream Theater--Greatest Metal Band of this Era

boo boo · 05-16-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Comus

I'm sorry you can't be talented if you make ****ty music

Because that's completely objective.

Music quality is entirely subjective, however I think talent can be measured objectively somewhat. So that's where we differ.

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sure you can have all the technical skill in the world and still not be talented.

Wrong.

Technical skill is in itself a talent, therefore it makes you talented to a degree. To compose a great melody is entirely subjective, sure writing a catchy melody ain't easy for anybody, however I think it takes a lot more talent to make a complex and catchy melody than a simple and catchy melody.

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I hate people who say "I don't like Dream Theater but they are great musicians". No sorry, great musicians make great music, ****ty musicians make ****ty boring music.

This is just dumb. Basically you're saying you shouldn't have any respect for musicians who put a lot of love, care and effort into their music just because you don't like it?

You can not like say The Beatles or Stevie Wonder, but to say they're talentless is objectively wrong.

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As such stop saying you don't like this band but they're good musicians. If you don't like it, then by your standards they're not good musicians.

No. I don't care if it bothers you, I can hate a persons music and still admire their talent, that's my personal philosophy and if that annoys you then too bad.

Comus · 05-16-2009, 05:19 PM

I'd retort and prove all your points wrong, but you know as well as I do that you are, and are just arguing for the sake of it, so I'm going to leave it at that.

Anteater · 05-16-2009, 05:35 PM

Good points Boo boo, but Comus was referring his complaints in how people often will rate an album highly simply because the people involved in it are "talented", rather than rating it honestly based upon the actual content of the music. Take ELP's stuff post Brain Salad Surgery for example, or any of Transatlantic's albums; the players involved are all certainly talented, but there is a serious absence of novelty in the compositions.

Of course, the opposite is certainly true as well; Gentle Giant was a rediculously high-density melting pot of talent, and their first six or seven albums reflect that talent phenomenally.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-16-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Comus

I hate people who say "I don't like Dream Theater but they are great musicians". No sorry, great musicians make great music, ****ty musicians make ****ty boring music.

Been saying this for years, glad it's not just me who thinks that.

I was almost lynched for saying that on the forum I was on before this one.

Antonio · 05-16-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Comus

I hate people who say "I don't like Dream Theater but they are great musicians". No sorry, great musicians make great music, ****ty musicians make ****ty boring music.

i'd say less ****ty musicians and moreso ****ty artists

Comus · 05-16-2009, 07:39 PM

And I'm being lynched now xD

Dr_Rez · 05-16-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DreamTheaterGodly

I worship... men

Thats the only true thing you have posted.

edit: Im an idiot and just realized that was from 2005

jackhammer · 05-16-2009, 07:49 PM

You know when you meet someone for the first time and all they do is talk about themselves and the possessions they own and how many women they have slept with? I get the same feeling with Dream Theatre. I just want to smash the fuck out of their smug but deluded little faces.

Dr_Rez · 05-16-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

You know when you meet someone for the first time and all they do is talk about themselves and the possessions they own and how many women they have slept with? I get the same feeling with Dream Theatre. I just want to smash the fuck out of their smug little faces.

Not to mention 3/4's of there fans feel even more love for them than the band themselves.

Mirrorball95 · 05-17-2009, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Because that's completely objective.

Music quality is entirely subjective, however I think talent can be measured objectively somewhat. So that's where we differ.

Wrong.

Technical skill is in itself a talent, therefore it makes you talented to a degree. To compose a great melody is entirely subjective, sure writing a catchy melody ain't easy for anybody, however I think it takes a lot more talent to make a complex and catchy melody than a simple and catchy melody.

This is just dumb. Basically you're saying you shouldn't have any respect for musicians who put a lot of love, care and effort into their music just because you don't like it?

You can not like say The Beatles or Stevie Wonder, but to say they're talentless is objectively wrong.

No. I don't care if it bothers you, I can hate a persons music and still admire their talent, that's my personal philosophy and if that annoys you then too bad.

Thanks boo boo for simplifying my post; alas we agree on something!
Pigs do fly after all huh.

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Originally Posted by Comus

I'd retort and prove all your points wrong, but you know as well as I do that you are, and are just arguing for the sake of it, so I'm going to leave it at that.

It wasnt actually anything to do with your comment about Dream Theatre, it was the comment that if a band makes music you dont like then its automatically 'sh1t' which to me is wrong.

By the way, I wish i could still say I had never heard Dream Theatre before...

but what's worse...I found a free cd I got in Classic Rock magazine and it has a
Dream Theatre track call 'Constant Motion' & they sound like theyre ripping metallica off big time, infact theres quite a few bands on this cd that sound like theyre ripping off metallica, theres also another **** band which I must declare as being 'Dragonforce'- the sound of constant drum machines and really crap vocals and cheesy choruses.
Only Iron Maiden can do this & get away with it (IMO).

Trivium are another guilty member of the 'Metallica Imitators/Rip Off Merchants' club.

Other **** bands on this record include Oli Brown who sounds like some kind of ****ing James Morrisson meets ZZ Top **** up, The Erotics- really cheesy shallow bubble rock reminiscent of the likes of Twisted Sister and co,

Practically everything on this album sucks apart from Megadeth's new track 'Sleepwalker' & Joe Bonamassa's Woke Up Dreaming(Live)'.
Another one that deserves a mention is John 5 with a track called 'Sounds Of Impalement'- reminds me of Joe Satriani.

Also there is another 'sh1tebag' who sounds like a complete rip off of Ian Gillan called Richie Kotzen.

I cant believe I not only have this cd, but to have so much crap and **** all on one disc can only warrant a suitable snap in half.
At least I didnt pay for it, wouldnt have bought compilations anyway.

Anyway for anyone who is wondering what the hell this mystery cd is heres a link with all the tracklisting from it (on the right hand side): Guitarmageddon! by Various Artists - Books / Magazines - Classic Rock : Reviews and Ratings - Rate Your Music

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Originally Posted by Antonio

i'd say less ****ty musicians and moreso ****ty artists

Yeah you get the just of it, its more about the technicality, I mean if theres a **** band that are **** players as well such as Sex Pistols for instance then fair enough.

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