Rapcore Thread
 

Genre Originality:Punk, Genre Rap Rock, subgenre Rapcore's best success was in the 90s.
My favorite Rapcore bands are, Run DMC, Kid Rock, Linkin Park, POD & Saliva, Rage Against The Machine, Limp Bizkit, also a few..others.
I pay most of attention to mainsream music, I know that I am missing out on alot of good music,bands/artist, but its hard to listen to everything, (if not impossible).
Theres alot of other Rapcore bands I dont know much about, and Rapcore is one of my favorite genre's, any suggestions?

1991. 3 years before 'Rap Rock' was even heard off:

1994. Same year as RATM but these guys are virtually unknown. Shocking really and much more in the spirit of Hip Hop in terms of using samples and different vocal techniques.

The film Judgement night was fairly average but the soundtrack is essential in terms of Rap Rock. 1995 and just one of many awesome tunes from the soundtrack:

I like all three of the above^! good choice, first time I've heard the first two, Thanks!
Rap Rock was mostly underground in the 80s and early 90s, didnt gain popularity in the mainstream until the mid-90s, as you've already stated hammer.
I like these two examples of early raprock by Run-DMC.

YouTube - RUN-DMC - King Of Rock

YouTube - Run DMC - Can You Rock It Like This

I don't get the Run DMC/rapcore connection. They're hip hop, and they happen to have had a couple rock influenced songs.

If you're looking for suggestions I might recommend Look Daggers and their Suffer in Style album, but it's more progressive than "core" anything. Maybe some old school Body Count, would suit you well.


Jackhammer: Nice call on the Mordred.

Raprock
 

DMC is classified in the hip/hop & raprock genres, I consider personally that Run-DMC helped lay a foundation that influenced countless bands & artist of the rapcore subgenre through the years, the fine lines of musical genre's are just so easy to crossover sometimes I know, why split hairs? I love it! :laughing:
The way alot of people sometimes precieve funk rock is in a same way as they do raprock, they are rock influenced songs & genres yes, but they are no more dominated by a hip hop, funk, or the soul genre, anymore than they are influenced by the rock genre, except where the basic rythm section and beat is more dominated by 'funk' to a certain extent, just my observation & opinion, no actual accounted facts.
I had originally thought about putting Raprock at the Title of the post, guess I forgot.. I think I quoted raprock in my original DMC post, I get why you would miss it since the thread mainly concerns Rapcore, I always try and remember to label the subject that Im talking about in the post's Title header, (sub-genre, etc.) when posting usually, anyway Thanks for the recomendations Satchmo! :)

Rage formed in 91 and released their debut in 92, brah...

These are a few personal favorites, some hegemonic subculture music with corporate and/or commercial entities.

(Rapcore)
YouTube - Saliva - Your Disease

YouTube - Saliva - Click Click Boom

(Rap Rock)
YouTube - Boom - P.O.D.

YouTube - P.O.D. - Youth Of The Nation (Video shot to Album Version Audio)

My bad. My usual spot on years/dates timeline failed me after many years :( Senser still kick arse though even if they sound dated and Mordred still beat them all to it ;)

Holy shit I probably haven't heard that song since about 1991! :yikes: Didn't even have any recollection of the band or song's name. Sounded vaguely familiar when I first started listening but then when the harder chorus came on and he took off his hat, it hit me! Damn. Good song. He really reminds me of Mike Patton around the time with his long hair.

Which reminds me, wasn't Faith No More doing rap-rock before this even? The Real Thing came out in 1989 with the single "Epic" (below for those that don't know it), and even Chuck Mosley's style before that was pretty much rap. Granted, they weren't scratching on turntables or using hip-hop samples and such.



Anthrax was pretty early in the game too with Attack of the Killer B's in 1991.

Yeah Epic had the Rap rhyme going on and the Chillis had it going on a little bit too but I think that with Mordred actually employing a 6th member solely for decks and samples really set them apart at the time.

Don't forget about "I'm the Man" in 1987 too!

I can never forget that. I had the EP on tape like over 20 years ago and listened to it way too many times. Generally I don't like the rap/rock but I love this

The genealogy of the Rap Rock genre.
 

We all recognize the pattern of musical genres that have contributed to the development of new genres, how new genres have emerged from existing genres and how multiple genres have contributed to a new genre and so on, bla, bla.
Independant opinions free from the influence of/or the attempt to "google" for the information is what I find the most interesting, and thats what I am looking for when I visit different music forums.
I find the Rap Rock genre interesting and all, but I really have a hard time connecting the originality of Raprock evolving from the Punk genre?
It would seem common that bands like The Clash, etc. would of course play a major part in music as a whole, but I am not very well versed in the Punk genre, I actually dont know very much about bands like The Clash and so on, so the question I am asking is, "what is your opinion"? concerning the Punk genre as the origin of Rap Rock, who are some of the major Punk Rock bands of influence? (Thanks in advance). :)

I think The Fall's collaboration with Coldcut is always shamefully overlooked in these situations. The whole song is basically made from a sample taken from the Lisa Stansfield song My Telephone.

This also pre-dates all the other videos in this thread other than the Anthrax one. I mean how many straight guitar/drum/bass rock bands do you know were sampling other bands in 1990 ?
:D

In reference to the Clash try listening to both "London Calling" and "Sandinista" the group cover a whole range of musical styles and I`m sure you`ll find some inspiration there. As for other stuff, well the obvious stuff like the Sex Pistols and the Ramones that will give you the two sides of punk (Anarchaic and cartoony) and if you want to go back further then look no further than Iggy Pop and the Stooges. Like you I`m not that much into punk, so somebody else may give you better answers. Another group of interest are the Cramps with their psychobilly style.

I've always thought Rap/Rock can be awesome if done right, like the Public Enemy/Anthrax team up or the Beastie Boys' "Sabotage".

Too bad a lot of the bands that did mix the two ended up being total crap (Limp Bizkit and their nu-metal ilk).

Doh good call, can't believe I forgot about that.

The only bands that I used to like, that can be called 'raprock' or 'rapcore' are Beastie Boys (well I still like them) and Body Count. As I remember Beastie Boys started as a hardcore punk band and as they developed to a rap group, they retained that rocking, grooving sensibility. So, can they be put in this genre, at least some of their work?

YouTube - Beastie Boys - Sabotage (1994)

No Sleep Til Brooklyn, the third single on their debut studio album Licensed to Ill, the name of the song itself is a play on Motörhead's No Sleep 'til Hammersmith album.
The song interpolates "T.N.T." by AC/DC (though tuned in a different way), the video, is a parody of glam metal.

YouTube - The Beastie Boys - No Sleep Till Brooklyn (1987)

Now we're reaching way back...Beastie Boys' No Sleep Till Brooklyn and Fight For Your Right are definitely OG rap/rock songs. :thumb: