5th Essential Metal Band?

rammetal7 · 08-19-2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

that's because the vast majority of people didn't pay attention to him until he was almost dead then they all decided they had to overcompensate for neglecting him until then by pretending they'd been listening to him forever.

i call it the Johnny Cash effect.

heh, sounds like what Lubbock did when Buddy Holly died.

anyway, are you just talking about the people on music banter?

cause Dio looks like he was not really ignored.

**Janszoon** · 08-19-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

i'm thinking in terms of influence on metal though. how many modern bands borrow (at times quite heavily) from that classic Ministry sound?

Meh. There was certainly a time when a bunch of shittty metal bands added some slight electronic sounds to their music in an attempt to sound "industrial" (which just highlighted their complete ignorance with regards to actual industrial music, but that's a whole 'nother tangent I won't go off on). But that time is long past now. I think, if anything, you can find more modern metal bands heavily influenced by the Melvins or Neurosis than by Ministry.

rammetal7 · 08-19-2010, 08:16 PM

Now I know why Melvins keep showing up here!
they are sometimes these genres:
Sludge Metal
Drone Doom Metal
Stoner Metal
Doom Metal
Alternative Metal

lets see, Melvins or Alice In Chains...

mr dave · 08-19-2010, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rammetal7

anyway, are you just talking about the people on music banter?

cause Dio looks like he was not really ignored.

no i mean in general. he had virtually disappeared until he got ill. his longtime fanbase obviously recognized him, but it's not until it went public that he was dying that every other person with a black band t-shirt started talking about the glory of Rainbow. i really don't recall much of anyone besides old school diehards ever mentioning him before the inevitable went public.

@Janszoon - i can definitely agree with your point that Ministry's influence seems to have peaked.

Merkaba · 08-20-2010, 01:21 AM

I'd agree with Jackhammer as far as Sabbath being the root of most metal that uses distorted riffs, which is a mammoth amount really. Metallica and Judas Priest cover off the rest nicely.

Surely Slayer would be the 5th though.

Unknown Soldier · 08-20-2010, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I think Sepultura is much more important than Korn. They easily influenced everyone that Korn might have been an influence on plus a ton of bands that Korn didn't influence. Not to mention that Septultura were a huge influence on Korn themselves. Hell, wasn't Life Is Peachy or one of their other albums even recorded using a bunch of Sepultura's gear or something? I thought I heard that somewhere.

I would have no problem with Sepultura as they are probably my all time favourite metal band

and their thrash/groove sound was always unique with its ethnic tinges.

I didn`t know that about the Korn album, I`ve got "Life Is Peachy" on CD. Have to give it a whirl, to see if I can hear anything on there that sounds like "Roots"

Unknown Soldier · 08-20-2010, 03:20 AM

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i see where you're coming from but Korn but the Deftones precede them by a few years. though from my perspective i think Fear Factory deserves a nod in helping shape post 80s metal. Soul of a New Machine as well as Demanufacture are massive discs. vocal dynamics, traditional and electronic beats, no guitar solos, keyboards for texture. hell i'd go so far as to say Burton C. Bell and his range is the reason there's been a noticeable increase in female metal vocalists over the years.

or we could really try rocking the boat and say - MINISTRY.

Deftones are quite a bit older but the Korn debut actually came out a few months earlier (1995) if memory serves me right.

Certainly from the industrial side, both Fear Factory and especially Ministry would be great contenders

Unknown Soldier · 08-20-2010, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rammetal7

I'm surprised nobody mentioned Dio yet!

That`s because Dio is really just a singer who fronted a whole host of bands and if we were just talking about essential metal singers then he would be considered. He was always something of a dinosaur and your archetype singer from the 70`s. As said below, all this fuss made over him is just largely due to his recent passing away.

Sljslj · 08-20-2010, 06:30 AM

Either Megadeth, Motorhead, or Testament.

Maybe Deep Purple, they're sometimes described as metal.

**Janszoon** · 08-20-2010, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

I would have no problem with Sepultura as they are probably my all time favourite metal band

and their thrash/groove sound was always unique with its ethnic tinges.

I didn`t know that about the Korn album, I`ve got "Life Is Peachy" on CD. Have to give it a whirl, to see if I can hear anything on there that sounds like "Roots"

I may be wrong about which album it is, but I swear it's true about one of them. Maybe it's the first one.

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