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View Poll Results: Who is the Greatest of the Big Four of thrash metal?
Anthrax 12 6.98%
Megadeth 47 27.33%
Metallica 69 40.12%
Slayer 44 25.58%
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Old 08-24-2010, 03:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Well i'm of the controversial opinion that the reason And Justice For All is considered a 'flawed masterpiece' is because it is in fact utter utter crap.
The only reason it's not bottom is because somehow other bands made worse albums.

I don't really see what I would drop down to make way for South of Heaven & Ride the Lightning if I was to put them higher.

Personally I think Killing Technology ,Dimension Hatröss & Nothingface top anything by the likes of Exodus, Testament, Sepultura, Overkill, Kreator, Death Angel, Nuclear Assault or any other thrash band you want to mention.
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Old 08-24-2010, 03:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well i'm of the controversial opinion that the reason And Justice For All is considered a 'flawed masterpiece' is because it is in fact utter utter crap.
The only reason it's not bottom is because somehow other bands made worse albums.

I don't really see what I would drop down to make way for South of Heaven & Ride the Lightning if I was to put them higher.

Personally I think Killing Technology ,Dimension Hatröss & Nothingface top anything by the likes of Exodus, Testament, Sepultura, Overkill, Kreator, Death Angel, Nuclear Assault or any other thrash band you want to mention.
...And Justice For All is an album that splits a lot of people!

Voivod`s progressive thrash sets them apart from the rest of the bunch, not necessarily better but different, and the three albums that you`ve mentioned are great releases and the group had the knack of choosing some interesting cover material as well (Pink Floyd and King Crimson) along with a Batman closer on one of the albums.
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Old 08-24-2010, 06:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Slayer writes music that's fast, sloppy, aggressive, and entirely free of preachiness. It's just speed, and intensity. The fact they refuse to have any restraint in any regard gives them the edge gave them an edge that the other three lack. Point is, I think of the four, Slayer is the band that "got the point" the most.

Lyrically, it felt their was an admittance that what they were doing was not deep or profound. They didn't embarrass themselves by attempting to force themselves to be poetic. Kind of got the point that thrash was stupid(which I do not mean as an insult).

Which is why they'll always have an edge over the three. When you listen to Slayer it's evil, and nothing but evil. Plus, I think their better work hits a layer of discomforting chaos that the more chained, refined, and polished of the other three lack. Personally, I think this really shows on Hell Awaits, which I feel is a generally overlooked album. Considering the context of the purpose of thrash metal, and it's audience, they are the most effective, and as a listener, personally give me the most emotional satisfaction when in a "thrash mood".

Megadeth is a close second for the fact that I respect them for always maintaining their quality as a live band, and even if not churning out great new material, they don't ever really feel washed up. May be more skilled performers than Slayer, but feel very boxed in, and caged compared to Slayer's more chaotic tempo pushing works. 'Even if, they are probably the most technical of the four, they still fall short. Plus singing lines like "Sit in Granny's Rocking Chair" kind of hurt the aesthetic a little bit...

Metallica for third. Similar to Megadeth, and with a lot a lot less padding/b-side material. However, I think with songs like Holy Wars, Megadeth far trumps Metallica musically. I think Metallica's commercial success only comes from the fact they had a deeper relationship with the studio/production end than the other three. However, this kind of hurts them because of the ego in trying to be ahead of the game forced them to expose limitations in their songwriting. Point is, some people are good at trying to do experimental rock. Metallica just does not have the right sensibilities for it.

Anthrax, I only really liked 2.5 of their albums. I mean, as mentioned, Among the living is amazing, along with State of Euphoria, and half of whichever one Madhouse is on. The rest, however, always feels to me like they're just knocking off Metallica's "Kill Em' All" sound. I don't know, maybe I'm not listening hard enough.

Unrelated point on Anthrax, though, I've always felt pretty much all of their work, even Among the Living, is well trumped by the jokey side project of Scott Ian, Stormtrooper's of Death. Then again, I've only heard "Speak English, or Die".
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Slayer writes music that's fast, sloppy, aggressive, and entirely free of preachiness. It's just speed, and intensity. The fact they refuse to have any restraint in any regard gives them the edge gave them an edge that the other three lack. Point is, I think of the four, Slayer is the band that "got the point" the most.

Lyrically, it felt their was an admittance that what they were doing was not deep or profound. They didn't embarrass themselves by attempting to force themselves to be poetic. Kind of got the point that thrash was stupid(which I do not mean as an insult).

Which is why they'll always have an edge over the three. When you listen to Slayer it's evil, and nothing but evil. Plus, I think their better work hits a layer of discomforting chaos that the more chained, refined, and polished of the other three lack. Personally, I think this really shows on Hell Awaits, which I feel is a generally overlooked album. Considering the context of the purpose of thrash metal, and it's audience, they are the most effective, and as a listener, personally give me the most emotional satisfaction when in a "thrash mood".

Megadeth is a close second for the fact that I respect them for always maintaining their quality as a live band, and even if not churning out great new material, they don't ever really feel washed up. May be more skilled performers than Slayer, but feel very boxed in, and caged compared to Slayer's more chaotic tempo pushing works. 'Even if, they are probably the most technical of the four, they still fall short. Plus singing lines like "Sit in Granny's Rocking Chair" kind of hurt the aesthetic a little bit...

Metallica for third. Similar to Megadeth, and with a lot a lot less padding/b-side material. However, I think with songs like Holy Wars, Megadeth far trumps Metallica musically. I think Metallica's commercial success only comes from the fact they had a deeper relationship with the studio/production end than the other three. However, this kind of hurts them because of the ego in trying to be ahead of the game forced them to expose limitations in their songwriting. Point is, some people are good at trying to do experimental rock. Metallica just does not have the right sensibilities for it.

Anthrax, I only really liked 2.5 of their albums. I mean, as mentioned, Among the living is amazing, along with State of Euphoria, and half of whichever one Madhouse is on. The rest, however, always feels to me like they're just knocking off Metallica's "Kill Em' All" sound. I don't know, maybe I'm not listening hard enough.

Unrelated point on Anthrax, though, I've always felt pretty much all of their work, even Among the Living, is well trumped by the jokey side project of Scott Ian, Stormtrooper's of Death. Then again, I've only heard "Speak English, or Die".
Your order is also my order of the bands, and I always felt that Slayer "Got the Point" and never deviated too much away from it. I can see why people dislike them for this, but for me thrash has always just been about speed, aggression and power and that= Slayer. They`re a band I can listen to anyplace anywhere. They`re also the thrash band that laid down the groundwork for the death metal scene and I think that says it all about them as a band. Because of Slayer we had the death metal masters Death.
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Well i'm of the controversial opinion that the reason And Justice For All is considered a 'flawed masterpiece' is because it is in fact utter utter crap.
The only reason it's not bottom is because somehow other bands made worse albums.

I don't really see what I would drop down to make way for South of Heaven & Ride the Lightning if I was to put them higher.

Personally I think Killing Technology ,Dimension Hatröss & Nothingface top anything by the likes of Exodus, Testament, Sepultura, Overkill, Kreator, Death Angel, Nuclear Assault or any other thrash band you want to mention.
Apart from the association with Nuclear Assault (who clearly came from a Hardcore Punk background) I agree that Voivod pissed all over anything released after '88 and are ridiculously under appreciated.

And Justice For all is an over wrought piece of trash that bored me in '88 and still bores me now.

Overkill were a fun band with a punk attitude and Exodus unfortunately suffered through line up changes.

Kreator are a decent band though and sound unlike anyone else, which is no mean feat.

First Death Angel album though is a classic Urbs Still sounds good today and full of attitude and fire.
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Apart from the association with Nuclear Assault (who clearly came from a Hardcore Punk background) I agree that Voivod pissed all over anything released after '88 and are ridiculously under appreciated.

And Justice For all is an over wrought piece of trash that bored me in '88 and still bores me now.

Overkill were a fun band with a punk attitude and Exodus unfortunately suffered through line up changes.

Kreator are a decent band though and sound unlike anyone else, which is no mean feat.

First Death Angel album though is a classic Urbs Still sounds good today and full of attitude and fire.
I don't think AJFA is trash, but I never understood the fascination with it. For me their first three were better.

Voivod is fantastic and easily the best proggy/techy thrash act - Coroner and Artillery were decent too. And there's a weirdo German band called Mekong Delta which actually managed to do the classical/thrash thing properly.


Here's their version of Mussorgsky's Night on the Bare Mountain.


And one of their early songs.

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I don't think AJFA is trash, but I never understood the fascination with it. For me their first three were better.
Most Metallica fans that I know of really like AJFA!!! and I also see it as the last great album by the group in their first phase despite its shoddy production. I`d rather listen to this album than the following Metallica album anytime.
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Most Metallica fans that I know of really like AJFA!!! and I also see it as the last great album by the group in their first phase despite its shoddy production. I`d rather listen to this album than the following Metallica album anytime.
Don't get me wrong, I like AJFA and it features Metallica at their best in places (Blackened, Dyers Eve and One) but a lot of it just feels too drawn out. Mind you, I haven't listened to it in a few years so perhaps it's due for re-evaluation?
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Most Metallica fans that I know of really like AJFA!!! and I also see it as the last great album by the group in their first phase despite its shoddy production. I`d rather listen to this album than the following Metallica album anytime.
I agree and would actually go as far as saying I like And Justice For All a lot more than Kill 'Em All.
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Old 08-26-2010, 02:36 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Metallica were really only thrash from Kill 'Em All to ...And Justice For All, i do enjoy all of their albums, but they didn't stay thrash their whole career, slayer did, megadeth almost did. not really big on anthrax, exodus should be in a 'big 5'
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