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CoNtrivedNiHilism 08-12-2015 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1624969)
When you consider that Dave basically taught James how to play, then it's arguable that he was pretty influential in thrash, even before Megadeth.

Of course when you hear Dave talk about it, he pretty much claims to have taught all three of the other three Big Four bands everything they knew. (Kerry King was a member of Megadeth sometime before they released their first album, and when Metallica went to New York, Anthrax got influenced by them.) It's hilarious to listen to Dave Mustaine to talk about himself at length.

The bold part I already knew, as well as how Dave embellishes things he taught or influenced upon others in regard to thrash, I mean...Dave Mustaine, the king of taking credit for pretty much whatever.

My whole point is that this Rattlehead fellow is blowing things out of proportions here. Dave has influence, but it is not polarizing influence.

Jguitarist13 08-12-2015 12:35 PM

Went Metallica. Even though I love Megadeth.

And Slayer is good. Need to listen to more Anthrax.

Paultduncan 08-13-2015 10:04 AM

I saw the Big 4 at the Indio Polo Grounds - don't get me wrong, every band was pretty amazing. Fast, heavy, all that. Metallica just has the SONGS, though - you can compare riffs with these bands all day, but Metallica's songs put them over the edge. And no, I'm not talking about "Turn the Page," ha ha...

The Batlord 08-13-2015 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Paultduncan (Post 1625365)
I saw the Big 4 at the Indio Polo Grounds - don't get me wrong, every band was pretty amazing. Fast, heavy, all that. Metallica just has the SONGS, though - you can compare riffs with these bands all day, but Metallica's songs put them over the edge. And no, I'm not talking about "Turn the Page," ha ha...

Well, good, cause that's a Bob Seger song.

Paultduncan 08-13-2015 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1625414)
Well, good, cause that's a Bob Seger song.

And you see my point.

Two Spirit 08-25-2015 07:42 PM

My post from my thread on this topic:

1. Megadeth - I love the other three, but Megadeth rises above them all for one simple reason: their versatility in sound. For thirty years, Mustaine and his crew have tackled all the different angles of their genre with each release, even upsetting many in their fanbase with Cryptic Writings, Risk, and the recent stinker, Super Collider.

But they get credit in my book for at least toying with diversity in their sound and making an effort, especially when they made a comeback in their sound with Endgame and Thirteen.

Also, despite Mustaine's insane ramblings as of late, he's still much more charismatic imo than Hetfield, Araya, or Ian.

2. Metallica - This is the band that started my interest in heavy music ten years ago with One at the age of 12. People rag on them now, and I suppose every metalhead does to an extent once they move on to deeper material, but these guys were the heaviest sounding band to me at the time.

I remember turning on the local Hard Rock station every night just so I could hear their classic hits. Keep in mind that I only had dial up internet at the time, plus it was 2005, so Youtube was in it's infancy, no streaming, etc. I learned to cherish every time one of their tracks came on, as well as other bands from that time period.

I even appreciate much of their 90's material, simply because imo they perfected the hard rock image and sound that they were going for on Load and Reload, and even the Garage Days compilation.

These guys mean a lot to me, even though I've since moved on from them and barely listen to their material anymore, which is partially because they haven't released a studio album in nearly seven years, along with Death Magnetic and St. Anger not catching my attention. They simply don't have the drive and creative ambition they once had, but that's okay, because they once captured a twelve year old me who thought they were the coolest band in the world.

3. Slayer - Easily the heaviest of the four, but also not really innovative. While they produced some of the best thrash out there from Show No Mercy to Seasons of the Abyss, they never really captured my attention the way the top two did.

Plus, like Metallica, they started becoming lazy during the later portion of their career. Even though I enjoy their nu-metal offerings Diabolus In Musica, God Hates Us All, and Christ Illusion, they've lost their edge, and sound completely bored with every song sounding the same, becoming the AC/DC of thrash in that sense.

I'll be listening to Repentless purely for the hype, but I'm not expecting anything mindblowing, especially with Jeff Hanneman dead and Dave Lombardo being fired as well as Kerry King's ego driving the final nails into the coffin of this band.

4. Anthrax - To be completely honest, I only know the greatest hits by these guys, such as I Am The Law, Indians, Antisocial, and Bring The Noise, among others.

I just could never get into their stuff the way I did for the other three. It also doesn't help that they're the least popular of the four, and don't have the amount of material that the other three have put out over the years.

I'm sure I'll chastised by a few here for not knowing Anthrax's catalog from front to back while still calling myself a metalhead, but oh well. Maybe someone can convince to give them another try.

Sandertg 08-31-2015 05:00 AM

Have to say Metallica for nostalgic reasons, but I think Megadeth had the best performance on the Big 4 in Sophia concert.

Unknown Soldier 09-03-2015 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandertg (Post 1631612)
Have to say Metallica for nostalgic reasons, but I think Megadeth had the best performance on the Big 4 in Sophia concert.

I think you mean Sofia :)

MicShazam 09-04-2015 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Spirit (Post 1629684)
My post from my thread on this topic:

1. Megadeth - I love the other three, but Megadeth rises above them all for one simple reason: their versatility in sound. For thirty years, Mustaine and his crew have tackled all the different angles of their genre with each release, even upsetting many in their fanbase with Cryptic Writings, Risk, and the recent stinker, Super Collider.

But they get credit in my book for at least toying with diversity in their sound and making an effort, especially when they made a comeback in their sound with Endgame and Thirteen.

Also, despite Mustaine's insane ramblings as of late, he's still much more charismatic imo than Hetfield, Araya, or Ian.

2. Metallica - This is the band that started my interest in heavy music ten years ago with One at the age of 12. People rag on them now, and I suppose every metalhead does to an extent once they move on to deeper material, but these guys were the heaviest sounding band to me at the time.

I remember turning on the local Hard Rock station every night just so I could hear their classic hits. Keep in mind that I only had dial up internet at the time, plus it was 2005, so Youtube was in it's infancy, no streaming, etc. I learned to cherish every time one of their tracks came on, as well as other bands from that time period.

I even appreciate much of their 90's material, simply because imo they perfected the hard rock image and sound that they were going for on Load and Reload, and even the Garage Days compilation.

These guys mean a lot to me, even though I've since moved on from them and barely listen to their material anymore, which is partially because they haven't released a studio album in nearly seven years, along with Death Magnetic and St. Anger not catching my attention. They simply don't have the drive and creative ambition they once had, but that's okay, because they once captured a twelve year old me who thought they were the coolest band in the world.

3. Slayer - Easily the heaviest of the four, but also not really innovative. While they produced some of the best thrash out there from Show No Mercy to Seasons of the Abyss, they never really captured my attention the way the top two did.

Plus, like Metallica, they started becoming lazy during the later portion of their career. Even though I enjoy their nu-metal offerings Diabolus In Musica, God Hates Us All, and Christ Illusion, they've lost their edge, and sound completely bored with every song sounding the same, becoming the AC/DC of thrash in that sense.

I'll be listening to Repentless purely for the hype, but I'm not expecting anything mindblowing, especially with Jeff Hanneman dead and Dave Lombardo being fired as well as Kerry King's ego driving the final nails into the coffin of this band.

4. Anthrax - To be completely honest, I only know the greatest hits by these guys, such as I Am The Law, Indians, Antisocial, and Bring The Noise, among others.

I just could never get into their stuff the way I did for the other three. It also doesn't help that they're the least popular of the four, and don't have the amount of material that the other three have put out over the years.

I'm sure I'll chastised by a few here for not knowing Anthrax's catalog from front to back while still calling myself a metalhead, but oh well. Maybe someone can convince to give them another try.

I love Megadeth and would put them as a clear number one for me. The guitar playing, song craft, lyrics (when not too paranoid) just hit so many levels higher than those other three ever managed to. I'd even dare say all their albums are somewhere between 'decent' and 'excellent'. Even Super Collider and Risk.

Metallica has a lot of good songs too, but many of them bore me to tears due to being so overplayed. I'm starting to think I really hate Enter Sandman.
Otherwise they're just a band I feel like I grew out of. I have their albums, but they mostly collect dust.

Anthrax just never really meant anything to me and I haven't heard much of their music. I don't know why, but I keep forgetting that they even exist.

Finally, I'm not a big fan of Slayer. They're practically the ACDC of metal, in that all their albums sound precisely the same down to every single detail. I also strongly dislike their ridiculous excuses for guitar solos. Crooked Cross is badass and reminds me of the Doom soundtrack, so that's cool, but I just can't listen to this band much without falling asleep. Not very musically interesting imo :/

EDIT: I didn't even notice that the original commenter compared Slayer to ACDC as well, but I'm glad other people see it too :D :P

The Batlord 09-11-2015 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RexDarr (Post 1634185)
Anthrax is the only one who is still pretty thrasy. Saw them live a couple of years ago and every song was fast and intense

Slayer?


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