Originally Posted by Noise Wall

All of the early 70s punk rock bands(Sex pistols, Ramones, Stooges) are just Rock and Roll groups, protopunk at the very most. The Velvet Underground is pretty rad, but pretty damn far from being anything even remotely punk rock. The earliest legitimate punk group that I know of is the Germs, both in terms of vocal melody and instrumentation. There could be some that came before that were actual punk rock groups, I'm not really a punker, but Johny Rotten, Iggy Pop, Dee Dee, and certainly Lou Reed had nothing to do with them.

Originally Posted by Janszoon

In other news: Charlie Parker isn't jazz.

Originally Posted by Noise Wall

Its all relative. I wasn't speaking in technical terms, I just consider Sex Pistols and the Ramones to be far removed from what the majority of the 80s punk rock movement resembled.