So many things wrong with that statement...

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'Orse-shit.

I believe someone from the punk community may have said that.

Yup, might have been someone from the Sex Pistols I think. I don't know... I saw in a documentary...

But that doesn't mean it's true.

I agree it's a good album.

Has fuck all to do with punk through.

Gtfo. GTFO!

This (sorry Il Duce - finally something we disagree about).

totally meh for me

and if you want to go all the way back - Link Wray's Rumble is the very first punk/heavy metal song

Discharge is a great band, extremely influential too.

They didn't influence anything good though

D-beat is kind of terrible

So are you not a fan then?:tramp:

I'm not a fan of d-beat at all,no.

Fair enough.

There may have been bands doing punk music before, but the first band that really was distinctly punk enough to be called a punk band, rather than a rock band, was the Sex Pistols.

Social distortion took it to a whole new level

Numerous other bands should/could be in the discussion, but sticking with the topic, The Ramones came before The Sex Pistols. Had the New York scene not happened, there probably never would have been a Sex Pistols, Clash, etc....

the who invented punk

That's an interesting concept, if you consider Keith Moon's style especially. Defiantly a major influence.

Woody Guthrie as far as I am concerned.

i think my generation is the first punk song

go on.... i wanna hear this one... back it up.

i said several pages ago that The Kinks and The Who invented punk

nobody took me seriously much

I would debate it simply on the basis that at the time The Who did my genration, punk did not exsist. It was not even in the back of any minds, so they would not be sitting around saying "let's write a punk song"...

If looking at people I think might of been the early inspirations for the punk ethos, I could say Wood Guthrie was one, This Machine Kills Facists. Johnny Cash, his attitude could be seen as punk as well... Blues and Folk artists are like punks.

However, saying any of those people invented punk is no more true than saying it was The Who or The Kinks.

Punk and Punk Rock are different I feel, Johnny Cash did not play punk rock, but he embodied what could be labeled as punk. Woody Guthrie, Phil Ochs... writing protest songs... this could be an inspiration for punk, but that is still folk.

Really not easy to say who invented punk... Punk was almost born unto itself.


The answer depends on you define punk, and each one may be different...

also, listen to this album:
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If anything I would suspect punk rock would of taken more influence from Garage Rock even before "My Generation".




Come on "Surfin' Bird" is more in debt to punk.

Than after that you get "My Generation" and British Invasion.

I was gonna say Iggy Pop or Lou Reed

They had a part as well. MC5 as well... though none of them "Invented it", but they did help it move forward.

the kinks might have invented hard rock but not punk. you really got me is a love song, my generation is a punk rock song. it's the attitude

The Modern Lovers

i'm thinking of musically and not lyrically

You Really Got Me is a basic 2-chord song with some gnarly distortion

I Can't Explain is the same 4-chords repeated over and over again

Let's see

Anti Hippy - Check
Anti establishment - Check
Recorded in 1967 pre-dating both the MC5 and the Stooges - Check
Actually called a 'Punk' band at the time they were around, not just some band that just had 3 chords or had a bit of guitar feedback thus sounding a 'bit' punkish - Check


I win the thread.

You continually amaze me with your poor taste. :thumb:

You like d-beat, every band simultaneously sounds like the same **** band while still sounding nothing like Discharge

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I remember you mentioning them before... I just think it's unfair to attribute only one band to the creation of an entire genre of music (especially punk rock).

I suppose you could consider its coming about as a "group effort." Many bands were highly influential to punk rock's evolution in sound, such as: The Who, The Sonics, The Monks, The Velvet Underground, MC5, New York Dolls, Iggy and the Stooges, and possibly The Kinks. Hell... I've seen people mention Johnny Cash, Bob Dylan, and Woody Guthrie a few times.

Honestly, I feel this debate is just going in circles... The same bands and the same people keep being listed over and over again (it's not really going anywhere). Of course, I'm guilty of continuing it...

So do I, I just want to win on the internet :thumb:

I don't believe that for a second. There are so many varied sounding bands in the d-beat genre. Disorder sounds nothing like the Varukers, who sound nothing like skitsystem who sounds nothing like Disclose and so on. There are tons of bands from various countries that make up D-beat from Brazil to Spain to Italy and on to Japan.

You clearly don't like the genre, but D-beat isn't made up of one universal sound that all bands sound like. I love D-BEAT, its one of the most energetic and raw sounding genres that ever existed.

These two videos are much more "energetic and raw" than anything d-beat will ever throw out. The strange thing is is that both songs were written and recorded in the 70s (although, not that particular version of "Discipline," which was filmed/recorded in 1980). Also, Paloma is right... d-beat bands are extremely similar to each other. It's very hard to differentiate them.

Not trying to gang up on you, though. I'm just expressing my opinion (don't take it personally).

Those two videos are ok. I prefer Throbbing Gristle. I don't see anything that blows me away more than DOOM or DISCHARGE. Its not hard for me to differentiate. I never take anything personally, its your opinion and its wrong. :rofl: <------ joking

The above perfectly sums up punk!

I don`t like punk but hell even I know the first proper punk group were Los Saicos from Peru who were playing punk music circa 1964!

I was never a fan of the punk genre, but the 90s grunge era brought the influence of punk more to my attention. I watched a documentary on TV a week or so ago concerning the Chicago punk scene, The Effigies and so on. Interesting, to say the least, with some music worth giving a listen to.

favorite band to come from the Chicago scene = Articles of Faith

I don't know who invented it, but the farthest I've been able to trace it back is to the early work of The Kinks in 1964.