Death

hip hop bunny hop · 07-15-2011, 10:00 PM

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I`m surprised this group doesn`t get more attention on these boards, because without doubt Death were one of the essential bands in the whole extreme metal movement and defined what death metal was all about. Chuck Schuldiner could run rings around a huge amount of metal guitarists and their move into more technical and progressive metal was equally amazing and they were on a par with Atheist on the progressive side on things.

I added the bold; and I did so because that is wrong. Death were & are an important band in extreme metal, death metal in particular, and music in general - however, they are not and have never been the defining death metal band. Death are 2nd wave of Death Metal; first wave bands such as Sepultura & Possessed were more important.

And while I doubt you think this, I know some newbs do, and it annoys me to no end, so I will say it; "Death Metal" was not a term dreamt up for Death clones or sound-a-likes. Death were neither the first Death Metal band or the most important (or well known) of the second wave of Death Metal.

Unknown Soldier · 07-16-2011, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

I added the bold; and I did so because that is wrong. Death were & are an important band in extreme metal, death metal in particular, and music in general - however, they are not and have never been the defining death metal band. Death are 2nd wave of Death Metal; first wave bands such as Sepultura & Possessed were more important.

And while I doubt you think this, I know some newbs do, and it annoys me to no end, so I will say it; "Death Metal" was not a term dreamt up for Death clones or sound-a-likes. Death were neither the first Death Metal band or the most important (or well known) of the second wave of Death Metal.

I disagree with most of this. Firstly, defining means most representative of the genre as in terms of style, direction of the genre and a level of popularity and NOT necessarily the first to do that style. Secondly, Death were out before the second wave of death metal came in and had already released their first two classic death metal albums, the second wave came out around 1989/1990 when the record labels saw it as a marketable metal genre and most of the other best known metal bands had put their debut albums. Thirdly, I`ll agree that Possessed probably put out one the first ever true death metal album in "Seven Churches" but they were only a couple years ahead of Death before they split/released their last album making them pioneers rather than defining the genre. Fourthly, Groups like Celtic Frost, Slayer and Sepultura etc were just huge influences on the genre than actually representing the genre. Finally, Chuck Schuldiner wasn`t known as the "Father of Death Metal" for nothing.

hip hop bunny hop · 07-17-2011, 09:05 PM

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Finally, Chuck Schuldiner wasn`t known as the "Father of Death Metal" for nothing.

The metal media, to what extent it exists, hands out such titles as though they were tic-tacs; Morbid Angel have been called the Ramones of Death Metal, for instance.

Unknown Soldier · 07-18-2011, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

The metal media, to what extent it exists, hands out such titles as though they were tic-tacs; Morbid Angel have been called the Ramones of Death Metal, for instance.

.........as Ozzy Osbourne has been called the Godfather of Metal and Iggy Pop the Godfather of Punk. They really should take more effort before handing out such titles

**Janszoon** · 07-18-2011, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Death are 2nd wave of Death Metal; first wave bands such as Sepultura & Possessed were more important.

Huh? Death is older than Sepultura and the same age as Possessed. I fail to see how they're "second wave".

almauro · 07-18-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Huh? Death is older than Sepultura and the same age as Possessed. I fail to see how they're "second wave".

Yeah, never thought Death Metal had a 2nd Wave, it was pretty much one tidal wave, that got more progressive and technical with time. Maybe there's some confusion with the second wave of black metal, since Sepultura was considered a first wave BM band.

**Janszoon** · 07-18-2011, 10:03 AM

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Yeah, never thought Death Metal had a 2nd Wave, it was pretty much one tidal wave, that got more progressive and technical with time. Maybe there's some confusion with the second wave of black metal, since Sepultura was considered a first wave BM band.

I've never heard Sepultura described as black metal. I don't really see how the label would fit them.

almauro · 07-18-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I've never heard Sepultura described as black metal. I don't really see how the label would fit them.

Give "Bestial Devastation" and "Morbid Vision" a listen. It was before Kisser joined up with them. They were doing the DYI, low-fi, dark Satanic, horns up thing, comfortably placing them in league with Venom, Celtic Frost and Bathory.