The Official Grunge Thread

[Rainard Jalen]

I just think it's humorous to see something like "grunge is not dead" being written in... 2007.

[gottaSCREM]

Originally Posted by oojay

Any new grunge bands to look for that we may not have heard of?

Check out Blood Circus, Supersuckers, Seaweed, ****less, Thrown-Ups, Dead Moon, and Gruntruck.

Hey Snickers thanks a bunch for your help. And I think I should correct my use of Seattle Sound because most of the good grunge bands didn't even come from Seattle they came from Portland Except Nirvana, Pearl Jam and AIC.

[gottaSCREM]

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

The whole grunge thing to me was just one of the worst musical movements ever and showed up everything that is bad about the music industry.
Which of course to me is the biggest irony of all seeing as though we`re constantly told Nirvana 'Broke the inderground' and 'changed the whole of music'.
For a genre that took about 10/12 years to die of you`d expect more than 2 bands of any merit to come from it (Soundgarden & Nirvana) As for the rest of them. Alice In Chains just wrote MTV friendly angst rock with a couple of ballads to get more airplay , Pearl Jam were just some dull stadium rock band who just happened to be from the right city at the right time who just had the foresight to namecheck the likes of The Dead Boys & Neil Young rather than Led Zeppelin.Mudhoney spent their whole career milking every last drop of credibility from the one decent song they wrote (Touch Me I`m Sick), as for the rest , well they were just major label puppets signed to get a quick payoff from Nirvana's success.
As for the legacy of grunge and they breaking of the underground , well where is it?
As someone who actually listened to independent music in the mid - late 90s I didn`t see an awful lot of bands I liked suddenly getting any exposure. All I saw was a couple of hundred Nirvana clones.The legacy of grunge is hundreds of grunge lite bands making naff middle of the road staduim rock appearing on MTV over & over again , I would name names but everybody knows who i`m talking about here. between 1998 - 2002 you couldn`t move for all this crap. Meanwhile the 'real' underground stayed exactly that.Bands like Pavement , Slint , Mogwai , Thee Headcoats , Smog and many others who I consider to be the true bands who influenced modern underground music didn`t benefit from Nirvana's success and the whole grunge movement whatsoever.

The whole thing was a big con by record companies to try & tap into the 'alternative' music fan.They were going for the anti establishment dollar , and by God did people fall for it in their millions.

Number one if you watched the movie Hype! you'll realize nearly all the grunge bands didn't want to be big stars it sort of just happened, all of the big bands even all of the smaller bands were garage bands not intending to make it big. When you bring up songs written by other bands and songwriters this shows that the bands that re-did the song had respect towards the artist
that originally made it, it's no wonder why those songs were good because those bands like Mudhoney spent days trying to make the song great and it was a very great song as well as all of the other re-did songs.

[sleepy jack]

Man, you totally didn't counter anything anyone said with some intelligent.

[gottaSCREM]

Bite me , go back to the emo thread

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Originally Posted by gottaSCREM

Number one if you watched the movie Hype! you'll realize nearly all the grunge bands didn't want to be big stars it sort of just happened, all of the big bands even all of the smaller bands were garage bands not intending to make it big.

First of all I don`t really care what someones motivation for making music is. I judge it purely on what I hear.If it sounds like a weak Nirvana clone thats obviously only been signed by a record company to make a bit of money then i`ll say thats what it is. And if you think there are any less people invoved in grunge that are 'in it for the money' than any other genre you are seriously deluding yourself. If artists were about 'the music' and not money perhaps you can point me in the direction of all the best critically acclaimed grunge albums released on independent labels between 1994 & 2000.

When you bring up songs written by other bands and songwriters this shows that the bands that re-did the song had respect towards the artist
that originally made it, it's no wonder why those songs were good because those bands like Mudhoney spent days trying to make the song great and it was a very great song as well as all of the other re-did songs.

I would try & counter this point but I have a feeling not even you know what it is.

[gottaSCREM]

Dude, the bands never in a million years thought that grunge was going to be as big as it was, hints why most bands signed to sub-pop records or K-records never played in a big venue from 1986-1991 they always played in bars and in back of warehouses across the Pacific Northwest once Pearl Jams Ten and Nirvana's Nevermind came out all of a sudden bigger labels were trying to sign as many grunge bands as possible in hopes of finding the next nirvana as for calling most of the bands Nirvana clones is not true listen to all of the other grunge bands and you'll see almost all of them doesn't have the same sound or even the same song writing as Nirvana. Nirvana was original with everything just letting all of his emotions out as for some other bands wrote about anything and everything but it was all great stuff.
For the best independent albums in 1994 easy one Love Battery Nehru Jacket, an epic Mono Men Sin and Tonic album, and lastly Mad Season's Above were all great albums from indie labels.
You think I won't know something buddy give me your best shot.

[swim]

Nirvana weren't original. They stole their career from Pixies.

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Originally Posted by gottaSCREM

Dude, the bands never in a million years thought that grunge was going to be as big as it was, hints why most bands signed to sub-pop records or K-records never played in a big venue from 1986-1993 they always played in bars and in back of warehouses across the Pacific Northwest

What the hell? are your rose tinted glasses really that thick. This whole thing of a clique of naive young bands sitting around one day and finding themselves famous ...it never happened.A few of them got signed , but they never did anything. They made maybe one or two albums that sold next to nothing and got dropped.They were also rans filling out a scene , nothing more. It happens with every scene.

once Pearl Jams Ten and Nirvana's Nevermind came out all of a sudden bigger labels were trying to sign as many grunge bands as possible in hopes of finding the next nirvana as for calling most of the bands Nirvana clones is not true listen to all of the other grunge bands and you'll see almost all of them doesn't have the same sound or even the same song writing as Nirvana.

It was all MTV friendly angst rock for which Nirvana were the catalyst ....next

Nirvana was original with everything just letting all of his emotions out as for some other bands wrote about anything and everything but it was all great stuff.

Nirvana were one of the most derivative simple bands going ,that was their appeal. They wern`t original they just stripped things back to basics & made it commerically viable. As for emotion , well thats just a typical songwriting standard that has been used for centuries I don`t see how you can credit Nirvana for that.

[gottaSCREM]

they only stole the riff's from the pixies to make Smells Like Teen Spirts that's all no harm no foul, if I heard right the pixies didn't even mind that they did it anyway.

As for the hatemonger dude, have you ever been to seattle, Jack Endino once said when it's always raining the only thing to do is grab an instrament, go in the garage and make as much noise as possible to get all of your anger out. As for bands being dropped once a band was signed to either sub-pop or K-records usually the label kept the bands until the bands couldn't bring anymore music. Most bands stuck with their home town label with little or no dropping what so ever