Mr. Bungle? Meshuggah? Avant-Garde Metal! (lyrics, rock, album, French)

mr dave · 03-27-2009, 10:38 PM

while it's a cash grab i'd rather see a FNM reunion for more Ipecac goodness than hearing more of their tunes in commercials on tv.

LoathsomePete · 03-27-2009, 10:43 PM

You are absolutely right, I'm on my 3rd glass of wine so I'm a little slow otherwise I would've made that connection earlier.

ElephantSack · 03-28-2009, 12:05 AM

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I liked Tomahawk. God Hates a Coward is my favourite song from them.

My favorite tomahawk song would have to be Cul de Sac from the same album. It always reminds me of a television broadcast on some pre-constructed suburban town set up for a nuclear bomb test.

SATCHMO · 03-28-2009, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

while it's a cash grab i'd rather see a FNM reunion for more Ipecac goodness than hearing more of their tunes in commercials on tv.

Where's Chuck Mosely when ya' need em'?

333 · 03-28-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

while it's a cash grab i'd rather see a FNM reunion for more Ipecac goodness than hearing more of their tunes in commercials on tv.

You see, this is why I can't see it them doing it ONLY for the money.

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Originally Posted by ElephantSack

My favorite tomahawk song would have to be Cul de Sac from the same album. It always reminds me of a television broadcast on some pre-constructed suburban town set up for a nuclear bomb test.

I can't really limit myself to a favorite with patton's projects. sure, there are epic songs and albums, but to me, the whole package is where its at.

mr dave · 03-28-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 333

You see, this is why I can't see it them doing it ONLY for the money.

you're taking a quote that was published 9 years ago and probably stated well over a decade ago to quantify something that came about within the last few months?

there's a huge difference in a cash grab to be able to keep paying the bills necessary to create cool stuff and a cash grab to stuff your ego's butthole with dollar bills.

333 · 03-28-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

you're taking a quote that was published 9 years ago and probably stated well over a decade ago to quantify something that came about within the last few months?

there's a huge difference in a cash grab to be able to keep paying the bills necessary to create cool stuff and a cash grab to stuff your ego's butthole with dollar bills.

alright, you got me there - on the age of the article. and its not that I disagree with your cash grab opinion. I do to an extent, but I've theories of my own as well. I appreciate your brutal honesty; I suppose I'm just too optimistic. I'll admit it, it hurts to hear that such a band would stoop as low as to "stuff [their] ego's butthole with dollar bills." It's downright depressing to me and it's possible that I'm very much in denial. on that note, i'm going to go drink whiskey until i can't feel feelings anymore.

mr dave · 03-28-2009, 06:25 PM

hold on here i think we might be misinterpreting each other hehe

a FNM reunion to me is bill money. hell, as far as i know FNM has always been about paying the bills in Patton's eyes.

the butthole of money bands are the ones like KISS, who go on a reunion tour for years for no other reason than superficial adulation, or the Eagles, the Doors, etc. bands that do it because they want to show the world how it's supposed to be done, they way they did it back when they were cool.

as much as it pains me to say it, the current Jane's Addiction reunion strikes me the same way, although i'm thinking Eric Avery is pulling a Patton this time and using the reunion to continue being able to finance his solo releases.

it's just so many people hear 'cash grab' and automatically think in negative terms as if getting any sort of financial reward for a creative endeavor automatically compromises the integrity of the created art, and i think that's BS.

there's usually a little more at play than just holding onto ideals from a previous stage in an individual's development. it's not like there's ever an end point to personal growth so how can someone really dictate a view to be adhered too throughout their entire existence?

reunions will always be money based. the individual reasons for taking the money will determine if the reunion will amount to anything worthwhile.

333 · 03-28-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

hold on here i think we might be misinterpreting each other hehe

a FNM reunion to me is bill money. hell, as far as i know FNM has always been about paying the bills in Patton's eyes.

the butthole of money bands are the ones like KISS, who go on a reunion tour for years for no other reason than superficial adulation, or the Eagles, the Doors, etc. bands that do it because they want to show the world how it's supposed to be done, they way they did it back when they were cool.

as much as it pains me to say it, the current Jane's Addiction reunion strikes me the same way, although i'm thinking Eric Avery is pulling a Patton this time and using the reunion to continue being able to finance his solo releases.

it's just so many people hear 'cash grab' and automatically think in negative terms as if getting any sort of financial reward for a creative endeavor automatically compromises the integrity of the created art, and i think that's BS.

there's usually a little more at play than just holding onto ideals from a previous stage in an individual's development. it's not like there's ever an end point to personal growth so how can someone really dictate a view to be adhered too throughout their entire existence?

reunions will always be money based. the individual reasons for taking the money will determine if the reunion will amount to anything worthwhile.

well put, sir. I was misinterpreting what you were saying, so thanks for clarifying that. you're right. I immediately thought of negative things when I read 'cash grab', but now that everything is straightened out, we can move on to something funner.

anyone dig on the FNM live at brixton academy as much as i do? i love the rawness of live albums and shows.

also, in the post title, meshuggah was mentioned but we haven't talked about them. though i've heard some stuff, i'm not quite familiar with all their music. i am curious, though, to why they'd be labeled avant-garde metal.

lucifer_sam · 03-28-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 333

also, in the post title, meshuggah was mentioned but we haven't talked about them. though i've heard some stuff, i'm not quite familiar with all their music. i am curious, though, to why they'd be labeled avant-garde metal.

because that's what they call themselves.

and they really are one of the most innovative metal acts out there. they're predisposed to making complex structured songs and have an enormous strength in muscling out unusual polyrhythms. what's strange about meshuggah is that almost all of their music is written entirely by the drummer (tomas haake), including the lyrics. and while i hate using "technical ability" as a means to gauge my taste in music it's undeniable that they've got it. i recommend destroy erase improve, but any album is a good starting point.

another band which hasn't received that much hype (apart from jackhammer) is gojira, a french metal act in a similar vein.

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