Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 613938)

i guess i'll be the first to say something about bungle besides OMG! BUNGLE!!!
mr. bungle is great and all but i really don't get how so many people classify them as any kind of metal. i suppose if you only listened to their demos and first album and skipped most of the 2nd you could but by the time the band was done they were very much their own style. the band proved this without any shadow of a doubt on 'california'.
i find that the bulk of bands who name drop bungle generally 'try' rehashing the apparent chaos of 'disco volante' without ever seeming to be capable of writing a complete song in just one style. that's what really set bungle apart for me, they were capable of pulling from all sorts of styles at the drop of a hat, AND they were also able to stick to one style for the duration of a whole song. a track like 'sweet charity' doesn't need a big metal breakdown in the middle for example.
i've yet to hear a bungle baby take that step, all i hear is a bunch of bits and pieces of stuff thrown together without any evidence there was anything else to the selections. conversely, most of the time those musical mosaics come across as glued together, there's no underlying sensation of the chaos just happening. it's calculated and at that point, no longer chaotic. i get the impression that more often than not the multitude of styles in most of the followers becomes more of a musical masturbatory measuring stick than anything necessary to propagate the musical piece.

Originally Posted by 333 (Post 622570)

Lovage? It's another Patton project with producer Dan the Automator.

Originally Posted by SATCHMO (Post 622585)

Iv'e heard about it as a DtA project. Didn't know Patton was involved?!?!?

Originally Posted by Terrible Lizard (Post 615062)

Also don't forget Sleepytime Gorilla Museum and Abruptum.

Originally Posted by 333 (Post 622588)

Lovage Check this out.

Originally Posted by 333 (Post 622570)

Well-said, mr dave.

I am guilty. I was not ready for Mr. Bungle when they arrived and by the time I was, they had long departed, leaving behind only the skin of what they evolved into as musicians. Now here's where Fantomas, Tomahawk, Lovage, Dillinger Escape Plan and Dog Fashion Disco. Though I prefer to get into those specifics at another time, anyone familiar with Lovage? It's another Patton project with producer Dan the Automator. He does vocals with the lovely Jennifer Charles. If you haven't heard it, it's definitely not metal, but worth the listen. Albums called Music to Make Love to Your Old Lady By.

Originally Posted by SATCHMO (Post 622591)

Yeah, It's gonna' be a while before I can wrap my head around that line up.

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 622602)

thanks,

Fantomas and DEP definitely fit into this thread. who's Dog Fashion Disco? never heard of them.

Originally Posted by 333 (Post 622604)

Really? Well, ****. Check out this review from of their last album by lucifer sam:

Adultery

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 613938)

i guess i'll be the first to say something about bungle besides OMG! BUNGLE!!!

mr. bungle is great and all but i really don't get how so many people classify them as any kind of metal. i suppose if you only listened to their demos and first album and skipped most of the 2nd you could but by the time the band was done they were very much their own style. the band proved this without any shadow of a doubt on 'california'.

i find that the bulk of bands who name drop bungle generally 'try' rehashing the apparent chaos of 'disco volante' without ever seeming to be capable of writing a complete song in just one style. that's what really set bungle apart for me, they were capable of pulling from all sorts of styles at the drop of a hat, AND they were also able to stick to one style for the duration of a whole song. a track like 'sweet charity' doesn't need a big metal breakdown in the middle for example.

i've yet to hear a bungle baby take that step, all i hear is a bunch of bits and pieces of stuff thrown together without any evidence there was anything else to the selections. conversely, most of the time those musical mosaics come across as glued together, there's no underlying sensation of the chaos just happening. it's calculated and at that point, no longer chaotic. i get the impression that more often than not the multitude of styles in most of the followers becomes more of a musical masturbatory measuring stick than anything necessary to propagate the musical piece.

Originally Posted by SATCHMO (Post 623812)

FNM is touring still/again !?!?!? W/Mike Patton?

Originally Posted by Pobodys_Nerfect (Post 623826)

As much as I like Faith No More they broke up 11 years ago, in that time frame Mike Patton has come out with so many good albums, Lovage, Peeping Tom, General Patton vs. The X-Ecutioners, Fantamos, Tomahawk, etc. I would really like to see another Lovage and Peeping Tom album. I know Fantamos is suppose to have an album coming out sometime this year and I cannot wait. I guess what I'm saying is that to me Faith No More is over and I came to accept that and have grown to love what has followed since then and instead of indulging myself in nostalgia I want to hear what has come since then.

Originally Posted by Pobodys_Nerfect (Post 623826)

As much as I like Faith No More they broke up 11 years ago, in that time frame Mike Patton has come out with so many good albums, Lovage, Peeping Tom, General Patton vs. The X-Ecutioners, Fantamos, Tomahawk, etc. I would really like to see another Lovage and Peeping Tom album. I know Fantamos is suppose to have an album coming out sometime this year and I cannot wait. I guess what I'm saying is that to me Faith No More is over and I came to accept that and have grown to love what has followed since then and instead of indulging myself in nostalgia I want to hear what has come since then.

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 623833)

FNM = $$$.

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 623833)

here's the thing though.... when's the last time you saw a new release from Ipecac records (Patton's label, the one that puts out all his side projects...)

FNM = $$$.

Originally Posted by MissMurder (Post 623772)

I liked Tomahawk. God Hates a Coward is my favourite song from them.

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 623839)

while it's a cash grab i'd rather see a FNM reunion for more Ipecac goodness than hearing more of their tunes in commercials on tv.

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 623839)

while it's a cash grab i'd rather see a FNM reunion for more Ipecac goodness than hearing more of their tunes in commercials on tv.

Originally Posted by ElephantSack (Post 623884)

My favorite tomahawk song would have to be Cul de Sac from the same album. It always reminds me of a television broadcast on some pre-constructed suburban town set up for a nuclear bomb test.

Originally Posted by 333 (Post 624226)

You see, this is why I can't see it them doing it ONLY for the money.

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 624354)

you're taking a quote that was published 9 years ago and probably stated well over a decade ago to quantify something that came about within the last few months?

there's a huge difference in a cash grab to be able to keep paying the bills necessary to create cool stuff and a cash grab to stuff your ego's butthole with dollar bills.

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 624391)

hold on here i think we might be misinterpreting each other hehe

a FNM reunion to me is bill money. hell, as far as i know FNM has always been about paying the bills in Patton's eyes.

the butthole of money bands are the ones like KISS, who go on a reunion tour for years for no other reason than superficial adulation, or the Eagles, the Doors, etc. bands that do it because they want to show the world how it's supposed to be done, they way they did it back when they were cool.

as much as it pains me to say it, the current Jane's Addiction reunion strikes me the same way, although i'm thinking Eric Avery is pulling a Patton this time and using the reunion to continue being able to finance his solo releases.

it's just so many people hear 'cash grab' and automatically think in negative terms as if getting any sort of financial reward for a creative endeavor automatically compromises the integrity of the created art, and i think that's BS.

there's usually a little more at play than just holding onto ideals from a previous stage in an individual's development. it's not like there's ever an end point to personal growth so how can someone really dictate a view to be adhered too throughout their entire existence?

reunions will always be money based. the individual reasons for taking the money will determine if the reunion will amount to anything worthwhile.

Originally Posted by 333 (Post 624402)

also, in the post title, meshuggah was mentioned but we haven't talked about them. though i've heard some stuff, i'm not quite familiar with all their music. i am curious, though, to why they'd be labeled avant-garde metal.

Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 624413)

because that's what they call themselves.

and they really are one of the most innovative metal acts out there. they're predisposed to making complex structured songs and have an enormous strength in muscling out unusual polyrhythms. what's strange about meshuggah is that almost all of their music is written entirely by the drummer (tomas haake), including the lyrics. and while i hate using "technical ability" as a means to gauge my taste in music it's undeniable that they've got it. i recommend destroy erase improve, but any album is a good starting point.

another band which hasn't received that much hype (apart from jackhammer) is gojira, a french metal act in a similar vein.

Originally Posted by guitaraudio (Post 630816)

I love Mr. Bungle

Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 613764)

Are Meshuggah classed as avant garde? anyhow I don't like them much :(